Incedentally, for those who wish to get a nice sharp photo, below is a photo of how I just photographed one of my NR derailers. You can also see that the resulting photo was quite yellowed - but some editing in Jasc Paint Shop Pro took care of that in the following photo.

I used a plastic shoebox lid for a backdrop. The flat-white backround works well as a nice backdrop that doesn't wrinkle or shine.

The derailer is being held up by a Presta valve cap under the upper pivot bolt.

Take care,

-Kurt

The NR derailer is now shown photographed in the list, and all derailer variants (according to the Campagnolo Timeline) have been added up to 1974.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/TH_campag_RD.html

-Kurt

Still no Velox? It exists, I tells ya!

1987 variant (Or is it '86?) Campagnolo Victory RD added. Need photos of the earlier '85 variant.

If anyone can come up with an Victory or Triomphe RD with the nylon sleeve dated 1986, let me know, and I'll revise the pages.

EDIT: Just got a photo of an '87 variant (or is it '88? Need confirmation here too) Victory RD from eBay, but could use a proper photo if anyone has this later Victory rear mech.

Take care,

-Kurt

What year was it introduced? I still haven't bothered to add any more models after '70. Been fiddling around with adding some photographs.

-Kurt

Kurt,
I have beat up victory RD which I think is an 86, the insert on the back is slightly mangled but would still work on a bike for display purposes. I may steel the white pulleys for a super record mech. because I think the white looks cool, depends on how clean I can get them. What is the nylon sleeve? How can I date this thing?

Thank you for the offer, but I'll pass - believe it or not, I forgot that I had a beat up '85 Victory RD myself for parts, so I used it for the nylon sleeve photo (click the link, the photo is up).

I'll still need a good photo of the '85-86 Victory variant from the side though, and I'd prefer that the example be in nice condition.

I've seen both the black pulleys and the white on SR rear mechs that I doubt have ever been modified by their owners - but who knows, perhaps the white pulleys are replacements?

Take care,

-Kurt

Just added a hodgepodge of photos to complete the C-Record section.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/TH_campag_RD.html

So far, I have Nuovo Record post-'78, Gran Turismo, C-Record (all, although I do want better photos of the first-generation variant), Victory '86, and a 50th Anniversary photo from eBay that needs to be swapped with a decent photo for a change.

If you have photos of anything not pictured (and 50th Anniv. or C-Record first-gen variant #1), send it along to my email address (link). Every little bit helps.

Also need photos of the long-cage "Touring" variants of Triomphe and Victory (haven't listed these up yet) - and if someone can come up with long-cage examples with the silkscreened Campagnolo logo, excellent.

-Kurt

Two other very important things:

#1: When was the actual release of C-Record, Victory, and Triomphe? Campy Timeline says 1985, most of the sites I visit say 1985, one of the forum members here says 1984, and one website I have visited that sells Campag catalogues says 1984 as well. Which is it?

#2: Was Campagnolo's change from engraved logos to silkscreen a sweeping change over every gruppo during one single year (and if so, did this change take place in 1988, or was it 1989?), or did it take more then two years for the silkscreened logo to be adapted to all gruppos?

As a side note, When did Victory S3 come out, and did it directly replace Victory, or was it produced alongside it?

-Kurt

#1: I have a copy of a Campagnolo catalog called "1984 An all Campagnolo year" and it's a catalog of C Record, Victory and Triomphe.

#2: I think it started in 1987 with C Record crank arms and Delta brakes. Then the same on Croce and Chorus in 1988. C Record rear derailleur in 1989. Things like front derailleurs and shifters stayed engraved into the 90's,

campyonly has a Victory S3 catalog from 1987 on their site.

I have a set of cranks with the screened (or is it laser etched?) logo. The date code on the back is 22 in a square, which I always understood to be 1986. Maybe they're just late 86?

It's my understanding that Campy laser-etched it's 86/87 cranks and seatposts. I believe that because the logos were so lightly visible(yet very elegant) they decided to go with the screening on the '88 and up components.

I don't know, but I would think definitely pre 70. This is it on the bike, proper photo when
I take it off and clean in (next 5 days)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...2/DSC00242.jpg

Kurt, This is a great project, and I intend to contribute what little I can. Please accept the small critique I have as a constructive suggestion. Some of the pictures I've seen have a little too much light - which makes it really hard to make out details on the housing face where the make and model are printed for many of the rear derailleurs. It also makes it difficult to discern the other stampings (the date). I think that re-locating one of the lights might make the pictures of these details much easier to see.

I've heard mention regarding that catalogue, but was it a year-end catalogue for '84, or was it from early '84? If anyone can come up with a C-Record first-gen derailer that is stamped with the 1984 date code, I'll change it. I'd like to get just a wee bit more confirmation though on this.


That's where I found out about it. Not much info other then pictures there, no word on whether it existed in '86 or not, whether there was a Triomphe S3 or whether Triomphe was dropped, etc...


Well, that's the first definitive year I've heard yet for RDs - '88. Obviously the '89 catalogue shows a silkscreened C-Record RD. Now if someone could confirm the definite change from engraving to silkscreened as being 1988, that'll take care of a few dating innacuracies currently in the list.

Checked the Timeline - it was introduced 1971. I put it up right under Gran Turismo.


Which photos, exactly? I tried to get as much detail as possible in my photos (the ones credited to "The Headbadge"), without any shadowing or overpowering light. A few of the photos are from eBay (and one or two may be old reference photos of mine, such as the second-gen C-Record), and until I find suitable replacement photos, they'll have to do for now.

Oh, incedentally, the reason the lettering on the NR derailer came out obscured is because it is physically scraped on the derailer itself (complain to Luker, not to me, I didn't scratch it!). When compared to my 1972 NR RD, this is quite apparent.

Take care,

-Kurt

Wow, I would definitely have guessed earlier. That helps me a lot, actually, in terms of dating that Butler, which is going up for (lots of different) auctions next week.

Post 26 of this thread. It's very nicely focused, but if I didn't know it said "Campagnolo", I'm not sure I could make it out. The model name is even harder to discern. Sometimes a little bit of shadow can be a good thing.

Both are correct, depending on your point of reference.

Campagnolo usually introduces it's new products at the Milan show which takes place in September. It's also the time when they usally introduce their catalogs. And of course they are building the new products in anticipation of orders for the upcoming model year. And the pros probably rode them throughout the season.

So yes, these were all introduced (read unveiled) in 1984 and there are catalogs dated 1984 containing them and you can find samples dated 1984. But they are 1985 model year products. That's why I always state that a bicycle with components dated from September to December is probably from the following model year. Same thing with frame serial numbers.

I have a Valentino extra which I think may be missing something which goes between the derailleur hanger and the derailleur on the pivot bolt. It has the same kind og bolts as your velox (that is what is pictured right?) but says valentino extra, it's short cage and the limit screws are farther apart. On of these days I should clean it up and give it a bit of luster with some steel wool.

The Velox derailleur is in mid-70's catalogs. I don't know if it was made earlier than that.

The Velox and Valentino were cheap, 70s bike boom parts made so even a hundred dollar bicycle could say CAMPAGNOLO COMPONENTS!

That doesn't mean we don't want them documented.

Sorry about my absence in the last few days - had been busy loading, unloading, and relaxing after the recent bike show.

Haven't recieved much of anything in the way of component pictures, so if you have any RDs to photograph, and if you can photograph it nicely on a white backround, send it in. Nothing other then RDs presently, thank you, for taking care of the RD list is a daunting enough task in itself.

P.S.: Cheap or not, the plan is to document every single Campagnolo component variant made for production, minus pantographed pieces (that can have a seperate section, but I don't believe it'll become a fully documented section).

-Kurt

Not mine but a very fine example of a 1960 Record FD.

http://cgi.ebay.com/First-Edition-19...QQcmdZViewItem

The seller took good pictures you could lift.

check this auction for a VERY early rear derailleur

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170044564481