Ideas on this Guerciotti?

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12-04-06 | 01:12 PM
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Age / components /value ? I'll try & get some more info from selller. 10-speed is all they're telling at the moment.

(Apparently took 2 guys to take the picture!)


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12-04-06 | 01:44 PM
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I see campy GS crank set and the rest of the DT looks campy... nice looking mid-late 70s frame I am guessing? CInelli seat on a campy seatpost.
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12-04-06 | 04:44 PM
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Universal sidepulls and what looks like Tipo hubs based on the ends of the QR. But that is definitely not a sure thing. Looks like a GS derailleur to me, as indicated previously. It looks similar to a Gran Sport model I see in a late 70s catalog which features a Falk frame (not familiar with that) Details of the frame are virtually identical...no chrome save fork crown and possibly rear drop clamping faces, no sign of Columbus decal. The gruppo details do not match what I see in the catalog, but again that does not mean a lot. It would probably be considered lower end, but I bet it is a nice riding bike.
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12-05-06 | 11:09 AM
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Lynn has better eyes than me, but I'd agree that the choice of components would indicate a lower-cost model. If it's Falck tubing (that's how it's usually spelled), that was a lower-cost straight-guage chromoly steel tubing that was probably pulled for the Italian co. by Mannesman. It's considered less desirable than Columbus DB tubes, and reduces the asking price, but there have been some top-notch builders that occasionally used Falck for their frames (I'm using sketchy brain cells here: Masi? Cinelli? Colnago?) so it's not necessarily "junk", and like Lynn says, a bike built well with it probably rides just fine.
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12-05-06 | 12:43 PM
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Quote: Lynn has better eyes than me,
Not better eyes...I massaged the picture in pshop

Here's the catalog scan on which I based my evaluation.


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12-05-06 | 01:01 PM
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Thanks for posting the scan, now somebody gimme some more dirt on that Falck tubing (and why it ended up on Italian bikes! I mean, why bother when they where already spoilt for choice just sticking to Columbus). Not much about Falck to be found on the net, I'm afraid.
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12-05-06 | 02:37 PM
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I did some quick research on Falck/Falk (AFTER I posted, of course) and found that I'm only partly correct (as usual). They have spelled it both ways, but the Family name is Falck and tho patron was originally from Alsace, the factory was/is in Italy. They were making tubing and other steel products for many years before they made bike tubing, even so there is some mention of thin-walled steel tubes for bikes mfg. by them in the '20s. It seems they continued production up through the '80s and at that point were making a DB chro-moly alloy tube, but they are beter known for '60s-'70s production of lower cost alternative to Columbus, but still lightweight, tubesets, including stays, of either carbon steel or prehaps chro-moly alloy, and apparently they did seamless as well as seamed/welded. Frequently Italian builders have used Columbus main tubes and Falck stays, so says the web. And it seems that I did remember one detail correctly, Masi and Cinelli have both used SOME Falck products in their output, the Cinelli model "B" is one known to have had at least some Falck content, and the Frejus Tour De France was perhaps all Falck tubing and highly regarded, Ochsner in Switzerland made a lot of Falck tubed bikes. I think any connection between Falck and Mannesman was conjecture that I just repeated, but there may be some truth to it, Mannesman is a very large and old enterprise...that's all I got.
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