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Old 03-14-07, 01:24 PM   #1
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Campagnolo Nuovo Tipo Hubs

Does anyone know where these stand in the campy hierarchy, circa 1982? With thanks,
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campy had two hubs lines in 1982 Record and Nuovo Tipo, The logo is different on Tipo and perhaps they are less polished, I imagine the cones, and bearings were similar, but the races in Tipo Hubs were stamped while they were ground in Record Hubs.
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if I recall correctly they lacked the "record" lube hole and cover in the middle of the hub.

having had both sets of hubs, the Tipos were otherwise identical from what I could tell. cones, cups, axle, dustcaps, etc.

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if I recall correctly they lacked the "record" lube hole and cover in the middle of the hub.

having had both sets of hubs, the Tipos were otherwise identical from what I could tell. cones, cups, axle, dustcaps, etc.

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That's good news, thanks. I believe mine have a lube hole covered with a thin black metal piece that goes around the middle.
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Big visual difference (as far as IRC) was the Tipo (large flange) hubs had uniform, round holes in the flanges, same as Gran Sport (yes/no?).
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Big visual difference (as far as IRC) was the Tipo (large flange) hubs had uniform, round holes in the flanges, same as Gran Sport (yes/no?).
I should have specified that I have the small flange. Interestingly, the trek that these came on had campy G.S. brakes & F and R derailleurs. Did campy have a gran sport hubs?
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I should have specified that I have the small flange. Interestingly, the trek that these came on had campy G.S. brakes & F and R derailleurs. Did campy have a gran sport hubs?
The Gran Sport Road Gruppo came with Nuovo Tipo hubs.
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Yes, at least back in the '70s the Gran Sport hub was also known as Nuovo Tipo (new type) and is as you describe for the low flange: no spring clip covering oil hole, different logo engraved on shaft of body, and different QR end (round with knurling, no D-ring) lower polish/degree of finish. AFAIK, the internal parts are all interchangeable with Record of the same era, and again the only difference might be the fine tolerances given the bearing surfaces, but I'm sure I've used Gran Sport cones in NR and SR hubs will no ill affects.
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The Nuovo Tipo hubs were part of the Nuovo Gran Sport groupo, so correct on a GS bike. They came in small and large, no oil clip. Supposedly the small are rarer, but who knows. Typically the holes were round in the large, but there were some that turn up with factory slots for some reason. They're perfectly fine hubs though the axles, cones and locknuts were different, i.e. lesser than Nuovo Record.
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The Gran Sport Road Gruppo came with Nuovo Tipo hubs.
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Tipo's were second tier, by 1982, paired with the Nuovo Gran Sport group. For a short time in the early 60's there was also a Sport hub from Campagnolo, not many of those around.

Now, the cones on Tipos are close, but not the same as Record. But the cups pressed into the hubs are VERY different. Record gets the ground and heat treated units, Tipo does not.

The outside diameter of the Record front hub cup is larger than the Tipo. Long ago, I had the idea to "recordize" my Tipos, no go. The lock nut design and spacers are also different. Can't even exchange dust caps.

Many, but not all Campagnolo hub cones are date coded, if you take them apart to examine the mating surface.

Tipo's can be as smooth as Record hubs in feel of the bearings, but for the very long term are not as durable. Tipo's are probably as good as most other competing brands top line wares long ago, with the exception of Dura-Ace.
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For a short time in the early 60's there was also a Sport hub from Campagnolo, not many of those around.
Check my new Campagnolo hub post, are those Sport? I know there were some all steel bodied small flange in the 60s, as I had one once.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=277697
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Thanks to repechage for all that detail, I'm sure I never swapped anything but the cones from NR to GS, but good to know that I couldn't do anything else before I tried.
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We always called them "Nuovo Cheapo".
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Check my new Campagnolo hub post, are those Sport? I know there were some all steel bodied small flange in the 60s, as I had one once.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=277697

Yes, those are Sport, they were also made in small flange, generally used on citybikes in Italy when I have seen them.
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Tipo's were second tier, by 1982, paired with the Nuovo Gran Sport group. For a short time in the early 60's there was also a Sport hub from Campagnolo, not many of those around.
I have the same hubs as dbakl and I always assumed they were Tipos. The date stamp on the lock nuts is 1963, again I assumed someone at sometime switched the lock nuts becasue I read in the Campy timeline Tipos came out in 1967.

So to get this straight, are you saying Campagnolo made a Sport hub prior to 1967 that looks very similar to the Tipo hub?
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[QUOTE=iab So to get this straight, are you saying Campagnolo made a Sport hub prior to 1967 that looks very similar to the Tipo hub?[/QUOTE]

The image of the hubs referenced from another thread, with the solid axles are Sport. They share round holes with the Tipos, but the overall diameter is smaller, as stated a "mid flange" or three quarter scale high flange as I see it. Also note the flanges appear more vertical than the Tipos or Record.

1963 is consistant with when these were avail.

A footnote in Campagnolo history, like the Tandem hubs they made.
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^Thanks for the info.
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Campagnolo Nuovo Tipo small flange with QR found on my 1983 Raleigh Gran Sport 12.

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That's good news, thanks. I believe mine have a lube hole covered with a thin black metal piece that goes around the middle.
if you have the lube hole, and spring clip cover they are not Nuovo Tipo but Record, look at 1034 in Stan's post.

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That's good news, thanks. I believe mine have a lube hole covered with a thin black metal piece that goes around the middle.
You are describing a Record hub.
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The Tipos had less finely finished cones than the Records, but they are perfectly fine hubs; I doubt you could tell the difference when you're riding.
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Example of a Tipo hub that looks like a record. These came standard on this Motobecane Le Champion. Note the skewer difference as well.
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