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ozgnp 04-20-07 07:40 PM

Paramount "P" designations
 
What does the 'P' designation in the Schwinn Paramount line indicate? (ie. P-10 , P-12, P-14).

Thanks for the help.:)

el twe 04-20-07 07:51 PM

Seriously?

Paramount.

ozgnp 04-20-07 08:03 PM

Paramount
 
Well, yeah, seriously. Not so much the P, but the number following.
Type of frame geometry???

rmikkelsen 04-20-07 08:29 PM

From Waterford Precision Cycles:

Paramounts grew to five models:
  • P-10 - Deluxe Paramount - designed for non-competition road riding and included front and rear eyelets, 27 x 1 1/4" clincher tires and Weinmann center pull brakes. It usually came with Campagnolo Record components. You could order it with Campy side pulls and/or custom geometry as an option.
  • P-11 - Paramount Tourist - designed for upright bars and recreational rides. It was available on a special order basis only. The ladies version was designated P61.
  • P-12 - This was the old designator for the Paramount Racer - now becoming the P10.
  • P-13 - Road Racing Paramount - designed for competition, this model came with tubulars and Campy sidepulls stock.
  • P-14 - Track - Full Campy track components including wide flange hubs and tubular tired wheels.
  • P-15 - Deluxe Paramount with 15 speeds (triple front chainrings). Start with the P-10 and add a wide gear range (generally a Shimano or Huret) long cage derailleur.

ozgnp 04-20-07 09:07 PM

This is exactly what I was looking for. You've been a great help.

el twe 04-21-07 01:01 AM

Oops. Sorry.

ozgnp 04-21-07 04:28 AM

Paramount
 
That's OK. Sometimes even I don't kown what I'm thinking. Thanks for responding.

pastorbobnlnh 04-21-07 04:47 AM

rmikkelsen provided a good explanation above and it generally fits the Paramounts built in the '70s. During the '60s they used many of the same designations, but there were differences (i.e. components, geometry, options, etc.). Take a look at Bob Hufford's online Schwinn notebook and scroll to the Paramount sections for each year. This helps to show the evolution of the "P-**" model numbering system. http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/...6064.html#1960

Rabid Koala 04-21-07 08:30 AM


P-13 - Road Racing Paramount - designed for competition, this model came with tubulars and Campy sidepulls stock.
I think they all came with Weinmann brakes and Campy was an option. My absolutely stock 71 P-13 came with Weinmann brakes. I changed them to Campy, but saved all the Weinmann stuff, of course.

BobHufford 04-22-07 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by Rabid Koala
I think they all came with Weinmann brakes and Campy was an option.

Campy finally became standard on the P-13 in '78.

Rabid Koala 04-22-07 11:06 PM


Campy finally became standard on the P-13 in '78.
Thanks for clearing that up, Bob!


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