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Can anyone tell for sure if this is a px10? I dont know how to tell for sure, and i want to make sure i'm getting what i paid for. Thanks, Micahel
http://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/337628518.html

If it's anywhere close to 21 lbs it's a PX10. I think there were several other variations like the PY10 but it sure looks right to me. Are there any 531 stickers on the bike? Are the dropouts forged? Are they Campy or Simplex? 700C wheels? I bet the real experts will chime in shortly but around here that bike would sell quickly for $125. If you haven't picked it up yet, don't delay.

Hard to tell from the pics. It's not a Nervex lugged model, which is the more desireable. Make sure it has forged drop-outs. It wasn't 21 Lbs. even if it is a PX10. Looks like the Stronglight cranks are gone.

If it fits, and has forged drops then it's probably worth near what he's asking, but it's no steal by any means.

To me PX 10's only have appeal if in original condition. That one is very far from that.

that makes me feel not so guilty for thinking about making it a fixie.

In most cases one will look at an old Peugeot and say, "it has chrome forks with chrome rear seat and chainstays therefore its a PX-10." Thats not always the case.

1. All PX-10's have the chrome but....
2. Having the chrome doesnt make it a PX-10

In general a PX-10 will have the chroming plus fancy Nervex lugs. The bike in question has chroming plus regular/plain Nervex lugs therefore, technicaly its not a PX-10 but it could be a PX-10 variant.

Example 1974

PX 10 E: Reynolds with chrome and fancy Nervex lugs
Px 10 LE: (one model up) Reynolds with chrome and regular Nervex lugs

Please consider another bike, or a bare frame for a "fixie". You won't get much help here if that's what you're going to do with a vintage bike you plan to buy. By the time you spend the money building a fixed gear, you could buy a pre made fixed gear bike. They do make them;),,,,BD

It's a PX10. Do whatever you want with it.

Dirtdrop, what variant is your '74? Just curious....

It is an early 1970s PX-10E, probably circa 1973. I don't buy the "French racing team" BS in the advert, and those certainly are lousy pictures. If you insist on making it a fixed gear, at least have the decency not to cut off the derailleur hanger or otherwise ruin it for a potential future owner who might wish to turn it back into a proper road bike with either vintage or updated components.

miamijim

It's a PX10LE. Note the steeper headtube as compared to my Gitane TdF.
http://thumb9.webshots.net/t/50/150/...9TDLcaz_th.jpg
I bought it new when I was working at a shop in Turlock, CA.

Looks good!!

I'd be more than willing to help here with a fixed gear conversion. A PX10 in that shape is a perfect candidate. Makes more sense than trying to put it original, which would cost in parts twice the value of the finished bike (I know this from experiance).

Personally I'd much rather ride a PX 10 frame with a good set of track wheels and a fixed drivetrain then deal with that Simplex and Mafac junk it came with. (again, from experiance).

Also, check for top tube brake cable braze-ons. Again, really hard to see in those pics but it looks like the brake cable is under the top tube? A PX10 would not have any braze-ons for the rear brake, and use clamp-on clips along the top tube.

I believe that the claimed weight was 21.5 lbs with tubulars, but a large frame like that would weigh a bit more.

It looks like nothing is original on that bike, so a restoration would be very expensive and not worth it IMHO. It's a perfect candidate for a fixie. The only braze on will be a cable stop on the chainstay. I saw a picture of a black one with track ends added that makes me want to build a Peugeot fixie even though I have no interest in riding one.

It would not be a crime to convert this bike to fixed gear.

It makes me weep to think of all the bikes that are cleaned out of garages and thrown away. And it hurts to see noble old steeds being used as disposable rides for a season and destroyed. But doing this to a bike, even to the extent of making permanent changes to the frame is an honorable use of the bike.

At the risk of drawing fire, I think that there are very few frames/bikes that are special and rare enough to warrant original preservation as a necessity. Sure we all lust after beautiful Paramounts and Peugeots, but frankly there are thousands upon thousands of them floating around the world. In our lifetimes or our children's lifetimes, it will never be the case that a non-custom made bike from the 1960's on will be especially valuable. Think of it this way, a good bike metaphor for a Peugeot in the car world is probably a cool 1970's Trans Am. Maybe a neat car, if that is your thing. And worth a pretty penny if it is in good shape. But there were many made. Many still exist. Many are in good shape. It will be a number of generations before it really has outstanding value. There are simply too many of them floating around to overly worry about preserving the precious history of Pontiac.

Set that thing up like you want, and ride the crap out of it.

Vroom vroom

jim

I'd hit it - perfect for a SS or fixie!

John, the 'E' had the fancy lugs.....the LE had ones like the pictures. i suppose it varied with model year.

Jim

It's a PX. I had called and talked to the seller, he knew full well what it was and had bought it original. I called again to go buy the thing, but it had just been picked up; I couldn;t get there right off and frankly another PX I really don't need. Here's hoping it wound up in good hands.

As to fixieing it, the bike had been so rebuilt I can't see the harm. Sugino mighty Cranks, Suntour mechs. The PX is pretty braze on free, so no wild hacking of bits can occur.