ollo_ollo

I have Triomphe on one of my bikes & the group on that Marinoni is the Victory group. Jones Bikes was selling some NOS cranks & derailleurs on e-Bay recently at fairly low prices. edit: Just this one & a Triomphe derailleur rebuild kit right now https://cgi.ebay.com/Campagnolo-Victo...QQcmdZViewItem

pastorbobnlnh 

cadillacmike68, cyclotoine, and cudak888, thank you for a most enjoyable debate. If I'm like most everyone else, you lost me in the finer details of this exchange, but it was fun to read your "back and forth."

Might we call you the Three "Italian" Tenors of C&V?

"Performing this evening, are three of the worlds best! Virtuosos of all components Italian! Spanning the generations with an ease and fluidity never before seen in public! Your eyes and ears will be dazzled as you become immersed in all things Campagnolo!"


Now remember, don't bite!

USAZorro

Now now. Only one person can answer that question, and that person is the famous Spanish fighter pilot - jet senchEz.

cudak888 

It's a Victory crankset, not Triomphe. Bought my last one off of eBay for around $22...shipped. I consider anything over $30 for either variant a royal rip-off. Sure, they do go up to $80 at times (despite one of the other eBay sellers commonly selling them with BIN's of $52), but a number of them sell for under $30.

Oh, and back to the O/P's question:

"Is $400 CDN too much?"

$400 CDN = $423.68 U.S. at this minute - you bet it's too much. Victory-equipped machines are usually fodder for the $200-300 range; take $100 off those prices for local bikes. The scratched Marinoni decals don't help. Looks like the freewheel pawls are sticking as well. I've seen better pearlescent paint jobs too.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you can do better at the tune of $423 clams - even on eBay.

-Kurt

jet sanchEz

Yes, these were my thoughts as well, that is why I created this thread, to see how good the components were as I know very little about Campy stuff. My Shimano 600 equipped SLX Razesa was a hair over 200$USD from eBay, shipped, so yeah, this Marinoni would have had to have been a really nicely equipped ride to beat that catch.

I will still see it, if only to ride it for future reference....I think it would be nice to own a good Canadian brand one day.

cudak888 

I'm not saying the components are bad, Jet - IMHO, Victory was pretty much the pinnacle of mechanical refinement to the Super Record group. Mechanically and geometrically speaking, the two groups are pretty much identical - they've just been styled completely differently.

Personally, I believe the Victory group solved the main problem with the SR group and those that had come before it (mainly NR!) - a reliable and adjustable derailer top pivot. As you can see, the Victory parallelogram on the Marinoni sits quite far forward, and can be set farther forward if one wishes (or vise-versa) to compensate for the freewheel size, and most importantly IMHO, to compensate for differing limit stops on various rear dropouts.

SR couldn't do this, although it did sit forward a good deal, NR's stop was fixed as well, and as it sat closer to a vertical position, shifted even worse, particularly when in the big ring on corncob freewheels, and finally, Triomphe, 990 and 980 were probably the worst examples of this problem, sitting nearly vertical in the dropout, causing insufficient chain wrap on most all smaller cogs (bet it was marketing - only thing they could do to convince anyone to move up to Victory!). One can easily grind the stop on the Triomphe, 980 or 990 derailers if they wish, and ultimately cure the problem, but even for the sake of better performance, I wonder if most folks here would ruin the originality of the derailers by doing so - might as well just upgrade the RD to a Victory.

The first generations of C-Record, of course, were also the first to have a sprung top pivot and stop, which made them excellent performers, but, unlike the Victory's RD, the stop was known for cracking, thereby rendering the derailer useless, unless you could dig up a replacement (fat chance - they appear on eBay once in a blue moon...from the same seller). For that reason, I rate the Victory a better performer then C-Record (yea, I see the CR group descending on me with flaming aerobars)...

Unfortunately, none of this equates into a valuable gruppo - just one that is mechanically excellent, as Victory is. Most of my machines are equipped with the Victory or Triomphe S3 (RD is the same as Victory S3 by this time) groups, for I find they have the most bang for the buck.

P.S.: If you want a full C-Record Marinoni, here's one for $500 CDN:

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/bik/366610742.html

That one is worth it.

-Kurt

lotek 

Actually $400 CDN is $378.52 USD.

I think you converted the wrong way.
still a bit much if you ask me.

Marty

cyclotoine

Hey stop it! I'm going to pick that one tonight. I will tell you guys all about it. I have my doubts about C-record because of the monoplaner brakes... but lets hope it just didn't want deltas and it really is all c-record. It's staying in my bedroom.

cyclotoine

There from switzerland I think, I bought one for about $20 shipped and it is made out of stainless steel. I refurbed a C-record RD with it and ended up trading it to Moki... You can see it on his Rossin.

ollo_ollo

"It's a Victory crankset, not Triomphe"
That's what I was trying to say in my obtuse way & included the link to show a Victory. I agree on the pricing, I got a Triomphe crankset for $25 so they are cheap for Campy.

cadillacmike68

Just don't call me late for dinner

I'm actually a British Steel snob - Reynolds only for me thank you, but Campagnolo had and still has the finest cycling components, I'm just not fond of the newer stuff.

cadillacmike68

I don't think Victory was a successor to SR; Record and Super Record were absorbed in the New Record line. Victory and Triomphe were stratifications of the Gran Sport line. Just look at some of the carry-over parts used.

cudak888 

By no means is Victory the succesor of SR in terms of the Campagnolo hierarchy. I meant to convey the message that Victory itself, whether it was the intention of Campagnolo or not to make it so, is, in my opinion, the ultimate in refinement of all the groups that preceded it. While NR/SR and Victory may appear nothing alike in styling, the basic mechanical geometry of the groups have remained the same, with refinements made along the way - most notably, the re-designed pulley cage plate and shallower parallelogram angle first used on Super Record 2nd gen, and brought to perfection with the Victory's 3-position stop.

Measure the physical geometry of the SR derailer against the Victory, and you will see the entire geometry is the same - only the styling differs.

Take care,

-Kurt