socaldbr

My folks have had these two Peugeot's hanging out in the garage for the past 30 years. What can you tell me about them? Model? Year of manufacturer? approximate worth, etc?

They don't remember much about them, and I know very little about racing/street bikes.

Theres a bit of surface rust on the chromed parts, the tires and tubes are shot, and the pulley on his bike seems to be frozen (the chain just jumps over the sprockets). They've still got the red instruction manual and even an aluminum pump that mounts on her frame.





more pics available at:

https://s211.photobucket.com/albums/bb285/bikeforum/

Are they junk? Worth restoring or selling? How do they compare to todays incarnation? I appreciate the help

tjspiel

Go here: https://www.retropeugeot.com/ to see Peugeot brochures from the past. They'll help you determine models and dates.

There might be badges on the bottom brackets of the bikes with serial numbers. Some say the first digit represents the year of manufacture ( 2 would be 72) but I'm not sure how reliable that is.

The "his" bike has better components. I'm thinking it might be a PA-10 which is a decent bike but not as good as the highly sought after PX-10 with Reynolds tubing. You *may* have a PX-10 there but I suspect not. Look for something on the frame the says "Reynolds".

I'm fairly new here but have a couple of Peugeots. If you're interested in the value, I'd find the models as best you can using the brochures on the site I listed above. Then do an ebay search to see what people are paying for them.

I think you'll find that some folks might pay $100 - $200 in working condition. Many wouldn't pay that much ;-)

As far as updating them goes the biggest issue is that French bikes of that era used different threading and slightly different tubing sizes which can make things difficult (but not impossible).

tjspiel

One more thing...

I don't think they're particularly valuable but they're not junk either.

If the pully's stuck on the "his" bike, try removing it and cleaning it up. Be careful though, the pulleys on those derailleurs break easy. Pulleys from old Suntour derailleurs make good replacements.

If you can patch and/or replace the tubes and clean the bikes up, you can get some money from them. If know somebody that needs a decent road bike, they're not bad, although friction shifting takes a while to adjust to if you're used to indexed.

socaldbr

Hey TJ,

Thanks for the link and info. I just went out the garage and snapped a few more pics. Indeed there is a sticker that says Reynolds on it. Does that mean it's a PX-10?





Also, I turned the bike over and found the serial number:



It starts with a 6 so does that mean it was made in 1976? My father says he remembers purchasing the set in the mid to late 60's. His memory could be off I suppose.

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ridethecliche

The white sticker above the serial number has the model number on it.
The model is a PRN10E.

Here's a link to a catalog that has it, it first made its appearance in 1978.
https://home.wanadoo.nl/peugeotshow/

miamijim

Correct. The mens bike has considerably more value than the ladies bike. Perhaps your fathers memory is correct in regards to the ladies bike. The decal scheme on the mens bike wasnt available until the late 70's.

As noted the mens is a PRN10E and the ladies is a UO-18

tjspiel

The retroPeugeot site has a PRN10E listed in its 1977 catalog. They don't have a 75 or 76 catalog and there's no PRN10E in the 74 catalog. Someone else may know, but perhaps the PRN10 was a successor to the PX-10.

I have my own reasons for thinking that the first digit of the serial number isn't necessarily the year of manufacture, but I think it's in the neighborhood of a 76 ;-)

The 'his' bike is a better bike than I thought. I'm not sure how that translates into actual value.

miamijim

A couple of things come into play here.....

Dating a Peugeot:

1. Serail number first. Its been proven time and time again to one of the most accurate ways of dating. There have been many occasions that the serial number doesnt indicate date but more than likely it does.

2. Decal schemes. Decals are very well documented. On occasion, 2 decal schemes were available during any one model year.

3. Catalog. Newer model (~1980 and newer) dating is dead on with catalogs. Most models were only available with 2 colors, some only one, along with the decal scheme dating is dead on. Older models (pre 1980) are a bit more difficult to date. U.S. catalogs didnt exist before '74 and lower models were virtualy identicle from year to year.

A good example of dating issues can be seen with UJ thread. I own a 1974 Peugeot master ordering cataloge distributed by Peugeot France to its dealers/distributors for ordering of inventory bikes. The UJ is not listed in the master cataloge but its found in the U.S. catalog.

The PRN10 was not a succesor to the PX-10....it was simply a different model.

Whats you theory on Peugoet serial number dating? I have mine.......

Grand Bois

The PRN10 was a cheaper model than the PX10. The frame is not all 531, just the three main tubes. They're a little heavier than the PX10 and don't have quite the ride quality, but they're nice bikes.

tjspiel

I missed the PX10 listed in the same brochure as the PRN10. The PX10 is the "professional" model and the PRN is the "semi-professional"

Regarding the serial number and the UJ thread, I have a few reasons for thinking that the first digit of the serial number is not the year the bike was assembled. It could be though that what I have isn't the serial number at all and you may be able to tell me ;-)

The bike from the UJ thread was missing the badge under the BB where you'd normally find the serial number. There was however, a number stamped on one of the dropouts and that's what I'd be using as the serial number and maybe that's where I went wrong and I should just quit spouting off about years and serial numbers.

FWIW, I've more or less arbitrarily decided that the UJ is a 75 because 5 is my favorite number.

My theory is that putting serial numbers on badges located the bottom of the bike was a bad idea.

Grand Bois

It looks to me like a pre-1975 UO-18.

miamijim

yes it does...

John E

The PRN-10, which was eventually replaced by the PKN-10, is a very nice ride, and I doubt anyone can really feel any difference between it and a PX-10. The frameset geometry and the main triangle are the heart and soul of a road bike, and these are the same as a PX-10's from the same year. The PX-10 is 100 grams or so lighter, doesn't have ugly seams down the backs of the forkblades, and up until 1979 or so had distinctive half-chrome stays, but it's otherwise the same bike.