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Old 07-08-07, 10:44 AM
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First road bike, help to ID?

Haven't done too much cycling since I was a kid on a cheap mountain bike, but since I'll be moving downtown Ottawa soon I was looking for a bike of some kind to ride to school/around downtown when I don't feel like driving and parking downtown.

I came upon this bike, and though I knew nothing about road bikes at the time, when I tried lifting the thing it weighed about nothing, so I couldn't pass it up. The more I read up, the more I feel like I picked up a nice bike.

It's all Campagnolo, except for a Shimano 105 RD and Cinelli bars. Due to a crappy paint job at some point in its life, I have no idea what kind of frame it is. The only markings I can find are a 27b5 under the crank, presumably a serial. I took a photo from around the headset, which I think may be distinctive. Can anybody ID it?

It needs a bit of work. The derailleurs need some adjustment, the rims are a bit out of shape, and the seat post clamp-thing is broken, so I'm gonna have to figure something out for that. I also think I'm gonna strip it down and give it a nice paintjob.

I took it for a short ride this morning though, and am hooked. The sense of speed on that thing is exhilarating, and you feel every little bump in the road. I can see this turning from a cheap commuter vehicle into an expensive hobby




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Old 07-08-07, 11:02 AM
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Give us detectives a little more help with some in-focus detail shots: close-ups of the seatcluster (including the part you say is broken), of the forkcrown, the bottom bracket including serial number, the rear dropouts and brake bridge.
Here's 2 cents: the wrap-over seat stay ends are distinctive, but I can't tell enough from that shot to ID your bike. Seems like a '70s frame given the lack of braze-ons except for that one set of bottle bosses.
You need to move the rear wheel FORWARD in the rear dropouts, you may need the (missing) little screw adjusters put back in the D/Os to accomplish this, but it will shift better when you do.
More pics, please!
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Old 07-08-07, 11:25 AM
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Unfortunately, there's not much I can do about the out-of-focus photos; my only digital camera is my cell phone.
Shimano SF is engraved on the rear dropouts. And the serial is split in two pieces. I also noticed that the headset is Miche.

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Old 07-08-07, 05:35 PM
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my bike has the same derailleur, the 105, its Peugeot ps28
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Old 07-08-07, 08:14 PM
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Nice find. The seat post clamp thing does not look good though - is the seatpost tight?? Maybe post something in the mechanics forum for suggestions on how to fix, but I would assume that a new clamp would have to be installd - unless someone can weld part of a clamp on?
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Old 07-08-07, 08:31 PM
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I was going to suggest an add-on seat post collar, but I don't think there's enough of the seat tube sticking up above the frame for the collar to grab on to.
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The frame appears to be Japanese. That is a standard Japanese bottom bracket shell used on various brands. It is indicative of a better quality frame and is corroborated by the presence of reinforcing tangs on the brake bridge and the fact that the original owner put some Campagnolo parts on it.

Interesting that it has no braze-ons except the water bottle mount. It makes me think they were added later. Hard to tell from the pics but is that chrome or bare steel under the paint? The presence and location of the chrome is sometimes useful in establishing rough timeframes.
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Old 07-08-07, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by McDave
I was going to suggest an add-on seat post collar, but I don't think there's enough of the seat tube sticking up above the frame for the collar to grab on to.
Older road bikes usually had built in clamps. I wonder if it would be possible to cut the other side off also, file it down and put an oversized collar on it such as the one you have mentioned - that would most likely be the cheapest option.
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Old 07-08-07, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassism
I can see this turning from a cheap commuter vehicle into an expensive hobby
+1, as they say here.

Kid, looks like you got yerself a pretty nice bike. Myself, I can't understand what's keeping the seat post up, but old bikes are mysterious that way.

If you do decide to repaint it (or even if you don't), investigate getting that seatpost clamp properly repaired. People here can hopefully help you find someone who can do the work.

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Old 07-08-07, 09:47 PM
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I believe it is a bare steel frame; I don't think it's shiny enough to be chrome. However, there is no rust anywhere, so I'm not positive. But I would guess it's steel.

It is a built-in clamp. The seat moves freely though, so a clamp like that one would probably be a good solution. What I was thinking was welding something on, since I'm handy with a welder(having grown up in a body shop helps with things such as welding and painting). For now, although there is nothing holding the seat up, I can ride it fairly comfortably with the seat all the way down due to my short legs, so there is time to consider my options.

The brakes are engraved Universal 68(I think), if that is a brand/way to further identify.

From the few photos I could find of a ps28, it looks like that might be what it is. The proportions, drop-outs, and the reinforcements all look about right, though it's hard to tell. VPR's serial is 7 digits, as opposed to my 4, however... so I'm not too sure. Perhaps another Peugeot model, or just a different year? But then, Peugeot is French, rather than Japanese...

I had assumed since it's all Italian stuff, aside from the rear derailleur, it would be an Italian frame.
Not that it matters much what the frame is, I like it, so it's alright. It's simply a case of my curiosity getting the better of me.
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Originally Posted by C_LOGAN
Older road bikes usually had built in clamps. I wonder if it would be possible to cut the other side off also, file it down and put an oversized collar on it such as the one you have mentioned - that would most likely be the cheapest option.
Yep, if it works that would be the cheap fix, but I concur with T-mar: it's a pretty nice Japanese frame and you can probably find a framebuilder who can braze on a left side of that seat lug, then blast it and repaint or powdercoat. The BB piercing is, as T-mar says, the hallmark of a couple different JP marques...maybe when you remove the fork there will be some stampings on the steerer (Tange or Ishiwata). It's worth spending a little money on, IMHO.
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Old 07-08-07, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
Yep, if it works that would be the cheap fix, but I concur with T-mar: it's a pretty nice Japanese frame and you can probably find a framebuilder who can braze on a left side of that seat lug, then blast it and repaint or powdercoat. The BB piercing is, as T-mar says, the hallmark of a couple different JP marques...maybe when you remove the fork there will be some stampings on the steerer (Tange or Ishiwata). It's worth spending a little money on, IMHO.
Would there be somewhere I could find a piece for that seat lug? I'm not interested in paying somebody to work on my bike, but would be more than capable of brazing it on myself if I had one.
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Old 07-09-07, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bassism
Would there be somewhere I could find a piece for that seat lug? I'm not interested in paying somebody to work on my bike, but would be more than capable of brazing it on myself if I had one.
Try a frame builder. If you don't know of any - ask a bike shop. I have never seen it done but I would think it would be quite a task to do by yourself - unless you are experienced ofcourse. That lug is connected to both seat stays, the seat tube and the top tube. I am not sure what would have to be removed in order to remove that.
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Old 07-09-07, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Bassism
Would there be somewhere I could find a piece for that seat lug? I'm not interested in paying somebody to work on my bike, but would be more than capable of brazing it on myself if I had one.
Here ya go...
http://www.novacycles.com/catalog/in...ath=61_137_157
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Originally Posted by McDave
Thats pretty good.. So they can be welded on without changing the whole lug..
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Old 07-09-07, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by C_LOGAN
Thats pretty good.. So they can be welded on without changing the whole lug..
Yep, a simple matter of cutting/grinding off the rest of the old boss, brazing on the new one, then cutting the slot between the two halves. Piece of cake.
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Originally Posted by Roll-Monroe-Co
+1, as they say here.

Kid, looks like you got yerself a pretty nice bike. Myself, I can't understand what's keeping the seat post up, but old bikes are mysterious that way.

Welcome to C&V. East Hill should also be along at any time to say the same. She's the official greeting committee.

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Eric is correct, that's a nice bike, and a lovely shade of yellow. Reminds me of Mr. East Hill's bright yellow Trek MTB which screams for attention sometimes .

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That's a nice frame, and worth the trouble to braze in a new seat binder if you're handy with a torch.
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So I guess the consensus is that it seems to be a higher end Japanese frame then?
Thanks to all who helped in identifying it.
And thanks for that link, McDave! I've been able to braze for about as long as I can remember, so it should be a pretty simple job.
Unfortunately, it probably won't be staying yellow. It's a really cheap paintjob, and even where it is not flaking off, it looks pretty bad. So it's gonna be stripped and painted right. I'm thinking it'll be a royal blue or purple or somesuch when I'm through with it.
I'll be sure to get some more (better) photos once it's all fixed up. Now to learn all the aspects of bike repair I neglected in my former life!
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Originally Posted by Bassism
And thanks for that link, McDave! I've been able to braze for about as long as I can remember, so it should be a pretty simple job.
Unfortunately, it probably won't be staying yellow. It's a really cheap paintjob, and even where it is not flaking off, it looks pretty bad. So it's gonna be stripped and painted right. I'm thinking it'll be a royal blue or purple or somesuch when I'm through with it.
I'll be sure to get some more (better) photos once it's all fixed up. Now to learn all the aspects of bike repair I neglected in my former life!
Awesome! Sorry if I misunderestimated you, as our President would say. Sounds like that bike found the right owner. Wish you weren't all the way up Ottawa. I could use someone to teach /me/ to braze and paint.
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