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Not a PX10 (of course) but what model is it?

Old 09-12-07, 02:11 PM
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Not a PX10 (of course) but what model is it?

Hello, just bought my first Peugeot vintage bike, i guess it's a mid/late seventies one. I'm very curious what model it is, but haven't manage to find out, there is always some detail that doesn't fit when compairing with the catalogues that you can find on Peugeot forums...

I would be very happy if someone could help me find out!
The bike is in Norway, Europe, and all the parts of the bike seems to be marked with "Made in France".

Some details:
-Frame number (on a plate, fixed under the frame) 7021283
-Horizontal decal with "Construit avec 531 Reynolds 3 tubes renforcé" on downtube
-Crome only on end of forks
-Breaks: "Mafac racer"
-Crank arms: "Stronglight TS 170 9/16-20"
-Cranks: "Stronglight 52"
-Derailleurs: "Simplex SX410"
-Pedals: "CBIE TPP 20, 10 76 Made in France"
-Wheel/felly: ""Record" and on naves "Normandy 47 76" (front) "48 76 " (rear)
-Handle-bar: "Guidons Philippe Atax Franco Italia
-Colour:Grey, seems like it supposed to look more silver, but it's really grey.
-The seat looks to be of syntetic fabric, but during the years somenoe has painted it red. Seat-pin is crome

I will try to post some pictures asap

Thanks - Johan
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Old 09-12-07, 02:28 PM
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Date codes indicate a 1977 model. The "3 tubes renforce" Reynolds 531 decal indicates a PR10 (tubular wheelset) or PRN10 (clincher wheelset). I beleive the Record rims were tubular and there it may also have been an LE version during this year (i.e. PR10LE).
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Old 09-12-07, 04:16 PM
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Thanks a lot for the information!

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Because the bikes in Norway its probably safe to assume its NOT a U.S. model. T-Mars asessment is as close as any of us will get. Here's why:

My 77? 78? U.S. catalog lists only one model with 3 tubes Reynolds PRN10E. As Tom noted the 'N' designates tire choice but there is no PR10E listed.

My '78 French catalog has no less than 5 P10 variants with 3 tubes Reynolds. Of the 5 yours matches most closely to the PR10LE.
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OK, T-Mar, remind me of the difference between a PRN-10E and a PKN-10E, as they were called by 1980. French vs. Swiss BB threading, perhaps? The frameset and decals of the bike pictured closely resemble those of my 1980 PKN-10.
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Thanks again for the information

The wheelset is tubular...

What are the differences between a PR10 and PR10LE? Is it only the look?
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Thanks again for the information

The wheelset is tubular...

What are the differences between a PR10 and PR10LE? Is it only the look?

Are you serious?
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I'm quite new to this, and haven't got much facts about these bikes yet... But it seemed to me like it was more like a sales-trick with the added LE, but tell me if I'm wrong
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If I recall correctly, the "E" suffix denotes a tightened frame geometry. T-Mar can help us with the details.
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Steeper head tube angle.

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OK, T-Mar, remind me of the difference between a PRN-10E and a PKN-10E, as they were called by 1980. French vs. Swiss BB threading, perhaps? The frameset and decals of the bike pictured closely resemble those of my 1980 PKN-10.

Superficially, the PR10 series and PK10 series seem much the same, They certainly have the same basic configuration, built around a 3 tubes Reynolds 531 frame. However, one thing I have noticed was that the PK series appears to have been introduced in the US, at least one year ahead of Europe ( or at least some of Eurpean countries, as Peugeot models could apparently vary even within Europe). While there were some minor component differences, there was one major variation. The PK used a 6 speed freewheel while the PR used a 5 speed freewheel. When the PK finally appeared in Europe, it had 6 cogs.

Different dropout spacing would justify a different model number, if the two frames were being offered concurrently as my literature indicates. Of course, this is a finding based solely on observations from a limited number of catalogs and unfortunately I do not have a complete set on European and US catalogs to determine if this holds true in all cases. JIm has a more complete set of catalogs than myself, so perhaps he can corroborate my theory that the PR10 was 10 speed, while the PK10 was the 12 speed version.
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