Kommisar89

Hi All,

I need some help identifying an old Peugeot that came into my possession. It's definately not a PX10 but it appears to be a decent bike, early to mid 80's. The frame is internally lugged and is marked "HLE -Haute Lime Elastique". Deraillers are Sachs-Huret, 12-speed set up with a Nervar crank. Hubs are Maillard if I recall, brakes are Weinmann. Any info would be greatly appriciated. I'm especially curious as to the frame material and where it fit in the Peugeot lineup of the day. Thanks.

-Derrick

Poguemahone

It sounds a little late for me... check the bottom of the bottom bracket shell for the serial number, however. Often this contains the model number and the year of manufacture. For instance, the serial # on my UO10 is 0737006. The seven digits indicate the bike was built in the seventies. Eight digits indicates and eighties bike. After the serial number, there is a model number: UO104 63 which indicates the bike is a 1976 UO10. Later Peugeots were built in Canada, and I'm not sure if the serial number is placed the same on them. Decal schemes can also be used to place the bike.

If there is a serial/model number, post it and I'll see if I can make heads or tails of it. Don't know that I can, I'm pretty failable.

Dave Stohler

By "internally lugged", do you mean that there is no exterior lug visible? If so, you have a welded frame. Any good Peugeot would have Reynolds 531 tubing, and a sticker. Lower-end Pugs used a type of tubing made by Vitus.

Judging from the low-end parts (I assume the hubs are Helicomatics?), what you have is probably a later, less expensive Peugeot, one that was likely sold in a sporting goods store. (I was working for a shop owner who sold Peugeots when they decided to start this practice. He dropped the line, as did many other dealers at the time.)

I guess the best indicator are these 2 tests: Does the bike have suicide levers? Does it have a spoke protector? If yes, then it's a $20 bike at best.

Kommisar89

Thanks for the replies so far. Let me add a little more detail:

Serial number on the bottom bracket is: B5036319

Frame has Simplex dropouts with adjuster screws, not normally seen on a low end bike. Has "Made in Frace" in several places on frame and components. I don't know how to tell if the hubs are Helicomatics. In fact the original rear wheel was missing so I couldn't tell you anything about it. The front hub has 'Maillard' and 'Made in France' with an 'M' symbol that I'm assuming is the Maillard trademark. There is an '04' and an '83' stamped on it as well which is why I was guessing 1983. Rim is 27-in, aluminum, no decals remaining if there were any.

Bike is a pearl white with standard Peugeot red/orange/yellow stripes on the top tube and seat tube. Large black block type letters that say 'PEUGEOT' on the downtube with trailing black and white checks. Headtube and seattube have Peugeot lion decals, left chain stay has 'Made in France' decal, right chain stay has '12 Vitesses/Speeds' decal. Brakes are Weinmann Type 500, no suicide levers. It weighs about 24-lbs according to my bathroom scale.

I only paid $5 for it a Savation Army sale back in '96 and rode it until I bought a new road bike last year.

Dave Stohler

Sounds like a typical UO8, or similar model bike. Worth $20 in good shape.

Poguemahone

It's a lower/middle end Peugeot, if it's an 83. In 83 the top of the line models would have still had external lugs. They were used until 84, I think. Your decal scheme sounds like the standard eighties one. Higher end models would have used either Reynolds, Columbus, or Vitus tubing, and there would be a sticker (usually on the downtube in these model years). Here's some Peugeot history, although I don't think it's of much help in your identification:
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Fra...10_history.htm
Hey, it's probably a nice beater/round town bike. I've got a lower end Peugeot for just this purpose, and it's a very nice ride.

Kommisar89

Thanks guys for your replies.

haggle

I have one of these! And, whats more, I didn't buy it at a garage sale but new from a bike shop in England in '83 (or maybe '84). I still ride it - it is an excellent bike. You'll find that the luggless frame is made from Reynolds 501 tubing. The hubs are indeed Maillard Helicomatic (not the greatest reputation but I have had no problem with mine). Likewise no problems with Weinmann brakes, Nervar cranks, Rigida rims. And the Sachs-Huret Rival 12 speed set is excellent! In the Peugeot line-up of the day, this bike was the lowest of the 'serious' bikes. So about midway up the range. I remember they marketed this specifically to people getting involved in the then new sport of Triathlon. Indeed they may have called it the 'Triathlon' for a while although the frame bears no model name. This bike was similarly positioned (and priced) to the slightly earlier Routier model (although that had more of a touring emphasis). Similar also to the Ventoux model. You're scales do not lie - the official weight of this bike is 23.5 lbs (one of the few details I remember from the brochure). If I saw one in good condition at 20 bucks I wouldn't hesitate to buy it!!

chip

French

miamijim

Chip....haggle is right. Do you know how many of those bikes I assembled back in the day???? Dave....your Peugeot history/memory is off....

If there is no external lug visible it does NOT mean the frame is welded. Peugeot, in the seventies, patented the DBS brazing technique. It enable frames to brazed from the outside and the inside. This techniques was used on entry level bikes and frames of higher quality tubing includung Reynolds as noted above. If my memory serves correct they never 'welded' frames in France or Canada.

Reference my Peugeot timeline thread. It has much more info than classicrendezvous. (I did get some info from their site)

kevin67

If the tubing looks to be rather "aerodynamic", I'll buy it from you.
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T-Mar

Definitely 1985, based on the serial number. The HLE tubing and 27" rims inicate entry level, but the fact that the rims are aluminum suggest it was not bottom of the line. The HLE tubing is hi-tensile steel and it took over from Carbolite 103. Based on the serial number and fact that it has lugless construction, it would appear to be a French model, as the Canadian manufacturered frames did not have DBS technology at that time. However, it could have been assembled in Canada. Based on the description, it sounds like it may be a PH10 variant.

Kommisar89

Alas, it was taking up space in the garage and ended up in the Colorado Springs dump. I should have followed this thread a little longer. :-)

miamijim

You should have. 1985 PH10LE. Surprisingly in 1985 there was a P9, indenticle in all ways to the P8, with a lugged frame

Grand Bois

This thread is almost four years old.

redneckwes

Bummer, is a vast understatement.

Kommisar89

Live and learn. And yes, the thread is four years old. But we're still here. Some of the same folks I see. Another post about the worst thing you ever did to a vintage/classic bike made me think of this so I looked it up. I've learned a lot in 4 years though and today I would handle things quite differently. I'll be on the lookout for a nice mid to late '80's bike that I plan to set up as a retro look bike with modern components. Something really flashy, the cycling equivalent of a red '78 Trans Am with a chicken on the hood One of those red & white Bottecchias with the chrome fork would be sweet. Throw on some Ergo levers, new derailleurs, and a 10-speed cassette and I'd be set. Probably not that easy but what the heck. Thanks everyone for all the info in this and many other posts.

-Derrick

clockbroke

I'm very happy to see this thread still alive. I have just discovered it and have a further question.

My bike has "Peugeot" on the TOP tube, while all other photographic references show this on the DOWN tube. (see meticulous details at the end of this post)

I had acquired this maroon, fixed gear beauty 2 summers ago, and have always wondered about it's year and model. The frame is the only original piece. All else is more modern after market. Judging by this thread, it is a 1984 model since it has an 8 digit serial # with a Y prefix followed by a 4. It has "Made in France" marked in a few locations, and is a Carbolite 103 frame. I don't know enough to ID it's lugged/brazed status.

TOP AND DOWN TUBE LOGO DETAILS:
If this helps in the ID of this bike...

The down tube has two pinstripes. One wide orange one with a thinner yellow one below it. Towards the bottom of the tube, the stripe breaks up into angled slashes that get smaller and smaller.

The top tube is similar, except the thin yellow stipe is above the wide orange stripe rather than below, but still breaks up in a similar fashion. The pinstripe is interrupted by the Peugeot name, which starts as orange and fades to yellow.

Thats a lot of detail. I probably could have just said "Peugeot is written on the top tube."

Thanks for all the info guys!!

redneckwes

There were a TON of models in 1984,

Pictures would make it far easier.

trsidn 

How about his one?

derektheviking

I wonder if anyone can help me identifying my old peugeot.

Paint job is metallic grey/silver all over, no original components, badges are red lions in black circles, decals are "PEUGEOT" in red on downtube, "Premiere" in red on top tube, "Peugeot technology" in red on seat tube, and "12 Speed" on seat stay. No lugs, so presumably quite late. The most curious thing is the internally-routed brake cable, which peugeot didn't seem to do an awful lot of.

If anybody has any ideas, I'd be grateful.

blaino12

The serial number below the BB is: Y801 33508

Any info on this would be great.

Picchio Special

I can help you: Try starting a new thread instead of dragging out a really old one.

Picchio Special

Wrong culprit. Start a new thread. Also, post pics.

miamijim

This thread is over 5 years old........and a red circle bike is from the mid to late 90's.





Well, this thread is now 6 years old. Almost. 1988 model.



Wurd.....+1