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Old 08-17-16, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jtbadge View Post
You know, I didn't check. I'll see when I get home tonight. My issue right now is down to a little bit of front derailleur cage rub.


Gotcha, sounds like you're just about all set!
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Originally Posted by v8powerage View Post
I think those new STI are looking really bad on old bikes because they're nice and sleek and those new sti's are very heavy looking, not to mention it' pretty expensive to replace old 7 gears into 10 or 11 seems bit pointless and who needs so many gears anyway.
I agree that new STIs can make some bikes look top heavy.
I also agree that I dont need 10 or 11 gears.

With that said...

- A 53-39 130bcd crank is very limiting when the RD can only handle a 28t large cog. Replacing that crank with a CX crank or a 50-34 compact allows for a lot more gear range and that bike which would at one time stay in the garage for hilly rides can now maybe be used.

- I could get 8speed STIs, but then everything I get is entry level componentry while for barely a little more, 105 11 speed components could be purchased. Right now, 105STIs are $124 at CRC and 105FD and RD will total about $55. 8sp Claris STIs, FD, and RD can be had for about $135 on ebay. So for $45 more, you get 105 components instead of Sora and that also means 3 more cogs for tighter shifting jumps. If someone is going to invest in a switch, then $45 often times wont be a deal breaker and at that point why not go for the lighter and 'nicer' components.

-I changed my Miyata to 9speed Ultegra. I bought used STIs on ebay because I didnt want to spend a lot of money and also wanted to keep the 600tricolor components. This type of change, to older STIs, is a relatively common practice in this thread and just overall when it comes to adding STIs to older road bikes. It wasnt extremely expensive. $55 for the STIs and $19 for the cassette. I absolutely think that $75 for the change was worth the cost. No doubt at all.



I still have barcons and bar end shifters and use them on a vintage sport touring bike and a vintage full touring bike. For a road bike that I will be shifting more often to try and keep my cadence up, STIs are more convenient. Being able to more easily shift while standing out of the saddle on a hill is also a benefit.



I love the look of classic and vintage road bikes, but ultimately I own my bikes to be used. If something more modern(STIs have been around for over a quarter century) will allow me or others to use a bike more often, then making that change is great.
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Originally Posted by athrowawaynic View Post
Meh.

You do what you like with yours. And we'll do what we like with ours.
Yes I don't intend on ruining mine with some tiagra shifters just so they're on the handlebar, it's ok if you keep those bikes forever but then I see them for sale and can't find original one with old bulletproof deraiileurs like 1055 105 or 7400 dura ace because someone took them off.
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Originally Posted by v8powerage View Post
Yes I don't intend on ruining mine with some tiagra shifters just so they're on the handlebar, it's ok if you keep those bikes forever but then I see them for sale and can't find original one with old bulletproof deraiileurs like 1055 105 or 7400 dura ace because someone took them off.
Obviously this thread is not for you.

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Old 08-18-16, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by v8powerage View Post
I think those new STI are looking really bad on old bikes because they're nice and sleek and those new sti's are very heavy looking, not to mention it' pretty expensive to replace old 7 gears into 10 or 11 seems bit pointless and who needs so many gears anyway.
I'm not a big fan of the bulbous Shimano STI's either but there are other choices that are more sleek. It might be quite nice for someone with large hands though, regardless of looks. And it's not always expensive to upgrade, especially if you have the parts laying around or got a sweet deal. Sometimes It's more expensive if you have to replace original parts with matching original parts.

And my Ergo powered retro roadie with 10speed has less gears than the original vintage 105 (6x2) since its only a 10x1. That is a full usable and sequential 10 gears with nicer spacing versus 12 gears that I only really used 7 of them. And sleeker too, the original 105 wasn't much to look at, but of course that is in the eye of the beholder.






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sorry pic is big big, I was just testing if the drivetrain would explode before I took the pic.
I test b-b all the time, haven't blown up anything yet!

Nice @jtbadge I normally don't like the grey ultegra cranks but it works nicely on your bike with a touch a green.
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Old 08-20-16, 04:47 PM
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Lots of nice rides.

What are you guys using to change the downtube shifters to hold the cables for the STI shifters? Are their aftermarket sources?
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Old 08-20-16, 06:42 PM
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@RonB94GT They're called shifter bosses or downtube barrels. Either search should get you the same tesults.
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Originally Posted by RonB94GT View Post
Lots of nice rides.

What are you guys using to change the downtube shifters to hold the cables for the STI shifters? Are their aftermarket sources?
Bike shops should have them by the bunch. They came in every package of STI shifters for a long time. Not sure if they still do.
Regardless, the shifter bosses should be readily available at most shops. A couple shops near me have a literal drawer full of them. They have been more than happy to give em away for a lot less than you can buy them for online.
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Thanks you the reply's guys.
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Old 08-21-16, 01:04 AM
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drooooooooool...
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Originally Posted by v8powerage View Post
I see how someone would want to replace 6 speed friction shifters, but replacing 7-8sp 105, 600 or dura ace for the new stuff would be a crying shame, hope nobody does that.
That's kind of what this thread is about. Did you come to look, complain, or what?
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Originally Posted by malcala622 View Post
We were doing so good keeping this thread to its title.
Nothing wrong with tossing in "new" DT shifters. Where else can they post with modern stuff? How many are here corrupting the thread, 3, 4?



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Originally Posted by v8powerage View Post
Yes I don't intend on ruining mine with some tiagra shifters just so they're on the handlebar, it's ok if you keep those bikes forever but then I see them for sale and can't find original one with old bulletproof deraiileurs like 1055 105 or 7400 dura ace because someone took them off.
Sucks for you. No one cares.
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Old 08-26-16, 05:56 PM
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Raleigh USA 531c

Just finished my 1987 Raleigh USA 531c build. Pretty strange beast that I can't find a lot of information on. It was made in England for Raleigh USA and uses a color scheme commemorating the 1986 Ride Across America event. Frame and fork is full 531c and I'm pretty sure these were sold as framesets-only back then. My wife affectionately calls this the Raleigh K&M for ketchup and mustard.

Anyway, I couldn't pass up some of the great prices on groupsets and wheels these days so I built this as a modern 11-speed. I selected parts with weight in mind and am happy to report it comes in at a svelte 20.3lbs as pictured below. Shakedown ride proved the bike to be very responsive and maybe a little twitchy. Should be perfect for hammering with the Saturday shop group!

Couple of BF contributors along the way... Thanks to @sloar for the weight weenie handlebars and I'll call out @Bikedued whose friend Jeff sold me the frameset.

On to the pics...




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Old 08-26-16, 06:17 PM
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@plonz I love it. The color scheme is bold and the paint seems blemish free. I was also very happy with the 5800 groupset with my builds.
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@plonz I love it. The color scheme is bold and the paint seems blemish free. I was also very happy with the 5800 groupset with my builds.
Thank you for the compliment. As far as paint being blemish free, I'll credit selective photography and an incredibly close match to Testors red and yellow. Lots of touch up that matched incredibly well.
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Originally Posted by plonz View Post
Just finished my 1987 Raleigh USA 531c build. Pretty strange beast that I can't find a lot of information on. It was made in England for Raleigh USA and uses a color scheme commemorating the 1986 Ride Across America event. Frame and fork is full 531c and I'm pretty sure these were sold as framesets-only back then. My wife affectionately calls this the Raleigh K&M for ketchup and mustard.
Sweet bike! I think you need to get a K&M decals made.

I normally agree with the consensus that vintage bikes need silver components, but the black stuff really works with this frame.

One of my favorite things about the low cost of groupsets these days is that it means I get to see more builds like this popping up.
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Originally Posted by plonz View Post
Just finished my 1987 Raleigh USA 531c build. Pretty strange beast that I can't find a lot of information on. It was made in England for Raleigh USA and uses a color scheme commemorating the 1986 Ride Across America event. Frame and fork is full 531c and I'm pretty sure these were sold as framesets-only back then. My wife affectionately calls this the Raleigh K&M for ketchup and mustard.

Anyway, I couldn't pass up some of the great prices on groupsets and wheels these days so I built this as a modern 11-speed. I selected parts with weight in mind and am happy to report it comes in at a svelte 20.3lbs as pictured below. Shakedown ride proved the bike to be very responsive and maybe a little twitchy. Should be perfect for hammering with the Saturday shop group!

Couple of BF contributors along the way... Thanks to @sloar for the weight weenie handlebars and I'll call out @Bikedued whose friend Jeff sold me the frameset.

On to the pics...




Looks great. I had a Team Raleigh Record frame from ebay in my favorite's for a month or so. When I saw you post this a couple of days ago I went to buy it. Someone finally bought it a couple of days before.

Guess I need to keep looking for a nice deal. Defiantly want to do this now.
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That Raleigh is really nice.
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Originally Posted by T Stew View Post
I'm not a big fan of the bulbous Shimano STI's either but there are other choices that are more sleek. It might be quite nice for someone with large hands though, regardless of looks. And it's not always expensive to upgrade, especially if you have the parts laying around or got a sweet deal. Sometimes It's more expensive if you have to replace original parts with matching original parts.

And my Ergo powered retro roadie with 10speed has less gears than the original vintage 105 (6x2) since its only a 10x1. That is a full usable and sequential 10 gears with nicer spacing versus 12 gears that I only really used 7 of them. And sleeker too, the original 105 wasn't much to look at, but of course that is in the eye of the beholder.




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Finally, a place where I can ask questions about modernizing my bike without people saying "why?" Or "just keep the DT shifters".

I didn't read all 233 pages, most of them, but not all so excuse me if this has been covered already.

I'm wondering about mixing and matching groupset components with regards to proper indexing. Am I correct in assuming that the shifters, FD and RD should all match or else the spacing or indexing might be off?
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...Am I correct in assuming that the shifters, FD and RD should all match or else the spacing or indexing might be off?
Short answer... Yes. Longer, more specific answer, see links below.

Mixing Brands of Shifters, Rear Derailers and Cassettes
Shimano & Campagnolo - Can't We All Get Along? Cyclocross Magazine
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I've been looking at swapping the Exage Sport group on my LeMans with Ultegra 6600. I already have a nice wheelset with 6600 hubs and Ritchey OCR rims and a Race Face Cadence crankset. But finding some shifters for a decent price that aren't all scratched up is becoming impossible. They go for some crazy prices on ebay.

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Thanks! I read it and I get it, kind of. So let's say keeping all things Shimano, can you run a 9 speed groupset with a 7 speed freewheel? Or a 10 speed groupset with a 9 speed cassette? Or am I asking the same question in a different way lol
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