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Old 02-03-19, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
You know, I really did sweat every detail on this build, maybe because it is my last, but this was going to be the build with no compromise, so thanks for noticing.

Its going to be 60 degrees on Tuesday here, and I'm so tempted to go for a ride, but the streets are bleach white with salt, so yeah, I'll wait for the birds and sun of springtime.
I know they're meant to ride but it would be a crime to ride that in salt
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
You know, I really did sweat every detail on this build, maybe because it is my last, but this was going to be the build with no compromise, so thanks for noticing.

Its going to be 60 degrees on Tuesday here, and I'm so tempted to go for a ride, but the streets are bleach white with salt, so yeah, I'll wait for the birds and sun of springtime.
Noooooo...don’t do it. Don’t go riding in the salt.

BTW, I love that black stem. It looks fantastic.
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Old 02-03-19, 03:28 PM
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Only the Campagnolo Chorus brifters and the Shimano Deore RD are modern-ish, the rest is at least thirtyfive years old. 15-speed Ergo:

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Old 02-03-19, 03:37 PM
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CAAD3 Campy build I did a few years back. And the GT with sram is my current roadie. Hardest parts of both builds was finding the fork.
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Old 02-03-19, 03:45 PM
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That GT looks killer. The saddle to bar drop is positively track-like.
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Old 02-03-19, 04:52 PM
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Thanks! It's a great bike.
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​I had to slam the stem and use the lowest stack headset I could find in order to get the 1" straight blade carbon fork I found to work. Might have had to face 5mm of headtube off as well
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Old 02-03-19, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
Only the Campagnolo Chorus brifters and the Shimano Deore RD are modern-ish, the rest is at least thirtyfive years old. 15-speed Ergo:

!5 speed Ergo, That's just plain Kool !. KB
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Old 02-04-19, 11:47 AM
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I have become sufficiently jealous and inspired by this thread. The CL search begins!

A couple questions: Does anyone have experience buying a lone frameset and then a complete groupset? Of course it depends on the frame, but for vintage roadies what do you look for in a modern groupset? Also, I see a lot of threadless headsets in this thread. What is the general era that these start to pop up? I've never had one on a road bike but I think I'd like to for modern stem and bar combinations.
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Old 02-04-19, 01:28 PM
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Old 02-04-19, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kcblair View Post
!5 speed Ergo, That's just plain Kool !. KB
Isn't it? I'm actually thinking of going totally overboard and upgrade to 18-speed!
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Old 02-04-19, 05:09 PM
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My Brian Rourke has had an update, with some 'new' wheels, Campagnolo Chorus 10 speed hubs, Sapim spokes laced to Mavic Open Pro rims, and Vittoria Corsa G+ tyres.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
Only the Campagnolo Chorus brifters and the Shimano Deore RD are modern-ish, the rest is at least thirtyfive years old. 15-speed Ergo:

Originally Posted by kcblair View Post
!5 speed Ergo, That's just plain Kool !. KB
Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
Isn't it? I'm actually thinking of going totally overboard and upgrade to 18-speed!
Or 24 speed?



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Old 02-04-19, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by antmaster5000 View Post
I have become sufficiently jealous and inspired by this thread. The CL search begins!

A couple questions: Does anyone have experience buying a lone frameset and then a complete groupset? Of course it depends on the frame, but for vintage roadies what do you look for in a modern groupset? Also, I see a lot of threadless headsets in this thread. What is the general era that these start to pop up? I've never had one on a road bike but I think I'd like to for modern stem and bar combinations.
You can make anything threadless. You just need a new fork and headset. Most old threaded frames are 1" headtube so you're fairly limited on forks. Then you'll need an 1" - > 1 1/8" steerer shim.

Get some downtube shifter to barrel adjust adapters. Problem Solvers sells em.


When your getting a groupset just mind how the front derailleur is attached and bottom bracket compatibility.
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Old 02-04-19, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by antmaster5000 View Post
I have become sufficiently jealous and inspired by this thread. The CL search begins!

A couple questions: Does anyone have experience buying a lone frameset and then a complete groupset? Of course it depends on the frame, but for vintage roadies what do you look for in a modern groupset? Also, I see a lot of threadless headsets in this thread. What is the general era that these start to pop up? I've never had one on a road bike but I think I'd like to for modern stem and bar combinations.
You can make most any groupset work. The front derailleur needs to be compatible with the frame, e.g. braze-on style vs clamp on style. And you obviously can't use a crank that uses a press-in bottom bracket. Once you get your frame, feel free to start a new thread here about what groupsets you are looking at and we can give you more info.

The threadless bits you see might be threadless stems clamped to adapters that fit into threaded forks. It's the easiest way to put a modern cockpit on a vintage bike with a threaded fork and headset. You can also go the 1" threadless route, but that stuff is getting harder to find and you would need to get a new fork and headset.
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Originally Posted by obrentharris View Post
Or 24 speed?



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Only with a with a quadruple up front, as my brifters are old 9-speeds. Who needs that many speeds anyway?

Nice bécane, BTW!
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Are most these upgrades accomplished with cold-setting the rear triangle?
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Are most these upgrades accomplished with cold-setting the rear triangle?
I have 5 bikes that fit this category, and only in one case did I need to "cold set" the rear triangle. That last one is a truly exceptional case because I use that frame as my main commuting bike, and my route to work is about 50% off-road trail, so I respaced the frame so that it would happily accept the 135mm MTB hubs which were part of a wheelset that was previously in use on my CX bike.
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Are most these upgrades accomplished with cold-setting the rear triangle?
My ‘87 Marinoni was built for a 130mm rear hub, but the ‘79 Miyata was re-spaced to that width. I had it done professionally, but I’ve also done a DIY re-space on a weird tandem. Twasn’t hard to do.
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Old 02-05-19, 09:20 AM
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Are most these upgrades accomplished with cold-setting the rear triangle?
None of mine.
None.
And that's a lot of bikes.
Only from 126 to 130, though, never from 120.
I've tried 120 to 126 once, and immediately switched back, for peace of mind.

For me, a 120 means 5 speeds, and the quotient is an even number, so I like it that way.
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What is it running now? 126 rear spacing perhaps?
2x10 Centaur, no cold setting. I'm considering going to go triple Centaur with just a BB/crankset/FD swap. I need a climber, but then again, it's such a race bike, a triple may just be too incongruous.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
2x10 Centaur, no cold setting. I'm considering going to go triple Centaur with just a BB/crankset/FD swap. I need a climber, but then again, it's such a race bike, a triple may just be too incongruous.
Yeah, but that's the thing about a triple. You can leave on the race-y gearing (53/42) while adding a granny. If you want to keep the race-y look of a double, you lose the race gearing. Plus 3 is more than 2 and more is moar better.
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2x10 Centaur, no cold setting. I'm considering going to go triple Centaur with just a BB/crankset/FD swap. I need a climber, but then again, it's such a race bike, a triple may just be too incongruous.
Interesting..do you do anything after putting on the 130 hub? Or just put-in-the-frame and ride?
Curious as to why not more riders used the Dura-Ace 130 hub with the 'mushroom' locknut?
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Just put-it-in-the-frame and ride.
You quickly develop a technique for the rear wheel that works and saves your knuckles, too.

As for the DA 130 hub, if you mean the 8-sp with the locking cog, well, that was a problem with the cassettes, too.

I also think Shimano sort of shot themselves in the foot (feet?) from the DA 6sp freewheel right up through the 8-sp STI, with compatibility issues, and that stigma lingered a while. People just avoided Dura Ace, both for the issues and the cost. Which only benefited Ultegra even more, and still does. The R8000 is selling like crazy.
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Are most these upgrades accomplished with cold-setting the rear triangle?
Unlike Robbie, I wasn't able to squeeze a 130mm hub in the Schwinn Super Sport frame pictured in this thread back in late October. The rear stays were just too rigid. So I cold set the frame using the threaded rod method that can be seen on "RJ the Bike Guy's" YouTube channel. I feel this is more gentle and safer than the old Sheldon Brown 2x4 lumber lever method.

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Originally Posted by antmaster5000 View Post
I have become sufficiently jealous and inspired by this thread. The CL search begins!

A couple questions: Does anyone have experience buying a lone frameset and then a complete groupset? Of course it depends on the frame, but for vintage roadies what do you look for in a modern groupset? Also, I see a lot of threadless headsets in this thread. What is the general era that these start to pop up? I've never had one on a road bike but I think I'd like to for modern stem and bar combinations.
For the build I posted here in October, I used a 1" threadless fork and an inexpensive Origin 8 1" threadless headset. I had to use a shim to use a 1-1/8" stem on the 1" steerer (available from many places). It does not creek.

I spent more on components for that build that I might re-use on a future bike (105 5800 components, seat post, wheel set, saddle, etc), but didn't put a lot of dough in the frame, headset, and fork. A lot of this stuff may end up on a nicer frame at some point in the future.

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