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Old 04-14-19, 12:58 PM
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In true form you found the last generation of modern era Shimano road groupsets that featured a triple! Excellent. Looks like 6700 for the brifters and RD (at least)? As an owner of same-generation 7900, I enjoy these and think they perform very well. The lever can feel like it's a lot to grab onto when braking, but it seems that geometry change (which I think they changed again on the levers at least in the next generation) allowed for more initial modularity before really clamping down. Not that anything was wrong with 7800/6600/5600, as I've found the sentiment that "the old brakes were more on-off and these ones modulate much better" to be an indication of someone who cares not for dexterity nor anything subtle.

Anyway...Beautiful Colnago! Composition is spot on, as usual. How does it ride?

[oh, and you will always have a friend in the Shimano business with me, especially the Italian-frame-with-Shimano-components business!]
Youíve got a sharp eye, Dan. This one does have 6703 shifters and rear derailleur. The brakes are 6700 too. I went with 105 (5703) Crank and front derailleur for a couple of reasons. First, on the 6703 crank the small ring bolts to the middle ring instead of the crank and a lot of reviews said itís noisy for some reason. Second, the 6703 comes with a 52T big ring, and I really have no use for that.

Iíve actually had these components since they were new. I originally bought them for a carbon Ridley Excalibur that I sold a couple of years ago because it wasnít getting ridden. But I kept the components because, like you said, it was the last generation for Ultegra triple. I had forgotten just how well this shifts.

Itís probably too soon to say much about how the bike rides. I took it out for its maiden voyage today, but I hadnít been on any bike in a week, which typically leaves my legs feeling a bit sluggish. I felt that today, though by the end of the ride I was doing better. I can say the bike tracks extremely well. Itís very stable holding a line but responds quickly when I lean into turns.

The bike has Columbus Thron tubing. I think I read thatís basically Cromor with an oversized downtube. The bike as built (not particularly light components) comes in at 22.1 pounds. Apart from the chrome lugs and straight fork, both of which I love, the unique feature is the internal routing of the rear brake cable. Itís got an internal sleeve or something that guides the full length housing through the top tube. Easy installation and it looks kind of cool.
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Very nice! I like mix of brifters with the Suntour components, but the wheel set sets that bike apart! I knew a guy (many years ago) that wrecked his, just like yours, that I used the fork, quill and bars from for my KHS.
Thanks guys. This bike was hanging on the wall at the LBS for years as just a frameset and Cyclone groupset with the original Araya bronze wheels. The shop had an auction and this was my only target to buy. I was going to stick with those wheels, but the rear had taken a shot on a curb or something. Had a bump in it that I could not get out. These wheels came up on the local Facebook marketplace for $50 and I snagged them quickly. Added that nice race car look.
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As @Choke was explaining to Jim Merz why Campagnolo always has been and always will be superior to Shimano, I quietly kept to myself that this build was in the works. Sorry Italophiles, but I think by 1997 when this frame was made even Colnago was going Shimano.
Ha...I don't blame you for wanting to keep that secret. Yeah, a lot of Ernesto's team bikes used Shimano, there must have been some back story to that.
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Ha...I don't blame you for wanting to keep that secret. Yeah, a lot of Ernesto's team bikes used Shimano, there must have been some back story to that.
I think the back story is that it works really well.
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@brandenjs, WOW! Thank you!
My modest contribution to the madness.
Rocking brand new Sora R3000! I'm so glad Shimano updated the STIs to the modern shape. They feel really nice. And the groupset is very clean looking. Looks great on the IM!
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Thanks, @RiddleOfSteel! I'm very pleased with the group so far.
It performed flawlessly through the end of last summer and early fall.
You were partially influential with this build.
I asked you about your Peloton last year as I was deciding my stem setup.
Very glad I went with the threadless adapter. No complaints.
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Just remembered, I did upgrade the brake shoes on the Sora R3000.

Ultegra shoes improved braking substantially. It was night and day. The stock units were not good.
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Retro roadie mixte!

I didn’t mean for this to happen. I was perfectly happy with my vintage British mixte as it was. But I jumped on a set of Campy wheels offered by a forum member that came with an 11 speed rear hub and I was off to the races.

Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a “Refurbished by Bob Jackson” decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didn’t get ridden much.

So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it . I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than before

So now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and it’s a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but it’s become one of my favorites.









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I didnít mean for this to happen. I was perfectly happy with my vintage British mixte as it was. But I jumped on a set of Campy wheels offered by a forum member that came with an 11 speed rear hub and I was off to the races.

Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a ďRefurbished by Bob JacksonĒ decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didnít get ridden much.

So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it . I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than before

So now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and itís a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but itís become one of my favorites.








Looks great! Old world charm with high tech pzazz.
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@Honusms BRAVO! Hey folks, we have STIs on a mixte! [if they've been done before, pardon my ignorance, of course] But super high tech 11s Campy on a '70s (right?) Raleigh? That ain't been done before. Gorgeous bike!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!

EDIT: Reading is hard. Apologies for the Raleigh reference. I totally read the CB and Bob Jackson bit, but my brain majorly auto-categorized it as a Raleigh because, maybe the head badge looked close in proportion, the head tube and color of the bike reminded me of a Raleigh, and...??? Gah....fail!

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Still tweaking the riding position, almost there.
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@Honusms BRAVO! Hey folks, we have STIs on a mixte! [if they've been done before, pardon my ignorance, of course] But super high tech 11s Campy on a '70s (right?) Raleigh? That ain't been done before. Gorgeous bike!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!
Close, CB by BJ.
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I had a 2014 Record group with carbon bars and Fulcrum Racing 0 wheels in storage.While cleaning my 1978-79 Gianni Motta, I noticed that a lot of the original Record parts were showing rust, bearings needed replaced, etc. I made the decision to put the 2014 group on the bike and I couldn't be happier. It went from 21.8# to 19.6#, mostly due to the wheels and it rides like a dream.


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Close, CB by BJ.
Thank you for immortalizing a complete brain fart of mine! Oh my gosh that was bad. Like, run into a wall dead ahead bad. I at least got the England part right... I get too excited sometimes...
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Thank you for immortalizing a complete brain fart of mine! Oh my gosh that was bad. Like, run into a wall dead ahead bad. I at least got the England part right... I get too excited sometimes...
No worries, AND it only gets better with age.
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No worries, AND it only gets better with age.
I can't wait!

My previous sentiments, now in Technicolor:

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BTW that Motta looks devastating in all that black @Trsnrtr !
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BTW that Motta looks devastating in all that black @Trsnrtr !
NO SHIP! That is awesome.
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I had a 2014 Record group with carbon bars and Fulcrum Racing 0 wheels in storage.While cleaning my 1978-79 Gianni Motta, I noticed that a lot of the original Record parts were showing rust, bearings needed replaced, etc. I made the decision to put the 2014 group on the bike and I couldn't be happier. It went from 21.8# to 19.6#, mostly due to the wheels and it rides like a dream.


That's the ticket...
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Thanks, Guys. The ride is amazing. I also own a 2015 Giant Propel and this thing rides every bit as good with the modern group on it. I Had considered selling it but have definitely changed my mind.
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I had a 2014 Record group with carbon bars and Fulcrum Racing 0 wheels in storage.While cleaning my 1978-79 Gianni Motta, I noticed that a lot of the original Record parts were showing rust, bearings needed replaced, etc. I made the decision to put the 2014 group on the bike and I couldn't be happier. It went from 21.8# to 19.6#, mostly due to the wheels and it rides like a dream.


Super sexy, and under 20lbs! That's a keeper. Perfect balance of black and shiny chrome/silver. Outstanding.
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I had a 2014 Record group with carbon bars and Fulcrum Racing 0 wheels in storage.While cleaning my 1978-79 Gianni Motta, I noticed that a lot of the original Record parts were showing rust, bearings needed replaced, etc. I made the decision to put the 2014 group on the bike and I couldn't be happier. It went from 21.8# to 19.6#, mostly due to the wheels and it rides like a dream
The dreaminess of the ride may be more due to the qualities of the steel than the weight loss or maybe a combination of both. Gorgeous build!
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@Honusms BRAVO! Hey folks, we have STIs on a mixte! [if they've been done before, pardon my ignorance, of course] But super high tech 11s Campy on a '70s (right?) Raleigh? That ain't been done before. Gorgeous bike!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!

EDIT: Reading is hard. Apologies for the Raleigh reference. I totally read the CB and Bob Jackson bit, but my brain majorly auto-categorized it as a Raleigh because, maybe the head badge looked close in proportion, the head tube and color of the bike reminded me of a Raleigh, and...??? Gah....fail!
@RiddleOfSteel - no apologies necessary. I refer to it as my British Mystery Mixte because Iím unclear about its origins. Serial number isnít Raleigh. Could be Ď60s CB or Holdsworth from the serial number. But one knowledgeable person thought it might be a late 70s Lady Sovereign CB. I donít care. Itís a fine machine and a joy to ride. And as far as I know it may be our first retro roadie mixte
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I didnít mean for this to happen. I was perfectly happy with my vintage British mixte as it was. But I jumped on a set of Campy wheels offered by a forum member that came with an 11 speed rear hub and I was off to the races.

Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a ďRefurbished by Bob JacksonĒ decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didnít get ridden much.

So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it . I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than before

So now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and itís a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but itís become one of my favorites.








This build is fantastic. I don't comment very often but this was so unexpected and unique I had too... Well done.
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Cleaned up my "retro roadie" today and thought I'd share. This forum and thread have been inspiration for all my builds! This is a 1979-80 Bianchi Supercorsa/Superlegerra frame built up with Chorus 10, mostly, and first gen Shamals. Original seat post, stem, headset, pump. My main go-fast road bike for the past couple of years.




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