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Old 05-25-19, 07:20 PM
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I've had this 1993 Allez on the back burner for a few years. Work, kids and life in general take priority over hobbies sometimes.

I finally got around to painting it over the winter. I used DuPont automotive base/clear with Velocals under the clear. Decals are for an '85 Allez but I had them already. Paint is a late 90s GM dark metallic green.

Groupset is a Shimano Tiagra 4600. I put one on my wife's Lemond when I built it up for her a few years ago and was very impressed. I slowly put together another group as I acquired parts for the build. I did upgrade the brake pads. Crankset is 39/52 and the cassette is a 13-30 10 speed (13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 21, 24, 27, 30) I put together from loose Shimano and Miche cogs. I love it. I'm planning to roll a 14-28 too (14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23, 25, 28).

I bought a 1" threadless fork from Nasbar. I did not want to use a quill adapter, shims or 31.8 bars. I managed to find a 1" threadless stem with a 26mm clamp. When using Shimano STIs with the longer hoods I like the short reach/shallow drop bars with smooth transitions. Finding those with a 26 or 25.4 center is not always easy. I ended up using some Kalloy UNO bars leftover from another project. Nitto has one also and I've got some Soma Hwy One bars on another bike I really like. I made the bell mount out of a piece of 3/8" aluminum. I may trim it down in the future. I'm not sure about the bar tape but until it's shot it stays. Headset is a Tange.

Wheels are Tiagra 4600 hubs, Mavic Open Elite rims and butted Sapim spokes. I had some NOS 700-25 Continental 3000s with tan sidewalls. I wish I had more of these.








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Old 05-25-19, 09:19 PM
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Great looking Allez! 4600 is a very good groupset, with the shifters inheriting 7800 Dura-Ace's internals. The rest is simply well-proven Shimano running gear, and excellent combination.

As for me, I have an "official" entry of my 1987 Schwinn Prologue, kitted up properly, in the outdoors (aka good lighting), looking as stealth as can be. She will give her components to another frameset soon, which makes me a little sad that the whole Black & Smoked look will be less so, but fear not (you all, and me as well), she will not suffer with inferior components. She'll be black with a bit of sparkle, and I think it will be stunning.

Full 7900 Dura-Ace, 7850 Dura-Ace wheelset, FSA K-Force carbon bars and stem, Specialized Ribcage bottle cages, Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX tires, Prologo Scratch Pro saddle.

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Old 05-25-19, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
Great looking Allez! 4600 is a very good groupset, with the shifters inheriting 7800 Dura-Ace's internals. The rest is simply well-proven Shimano running gear, and excellent combination.

As for me, I have an "official" entry of my 1987 Schwinn Prologue, kitted up properly, in the outdoors (aka good lighting), looking as stealth as can be. She will give her components to another frameset soon, which makes me a little sad that the whole Black & Smoked look will be less so, but fear not (you all, and me as well), she will not suffer with inferior components. She'll be black with a bit of sparkle, and I think it will be stunning.

Full 7900 Dura-Ace, 7850 Dura-Ace wheelset, FSA K-Force carbon bars and stem, Specialized Ribcage bottle cages, Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX tires, Prologo Scratch Pro saddle.

That is a beautiful looking bike! Love the colours.
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Old 05-25-19, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Milpool View Post
That is a beautiful looking bike! Love the colours.
Thank you!
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Old 05-26-19, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
Great looking Allez!
Thanks. Those Prologues are definitely one of Schwinn's best road frames. I've got a red/white 52cm '88 that sees use whenever I have a kid grow into it.
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Old 05-27-19, 03:44 PM
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I'm a longtime lurker on this thread and have admired all of the beautiful bikes here. I've always thought that a really special aspect of old steel bicycles is that they can be updated to a point where their performance is not that different from a brand new bike. Back when I was looking for my first road bike I was very very close to buying a steel Salsa Colossal but talked myself out of it, going for a carbon Ridley Fenix instead. While I've been quite happy with my Ridley, I often found myself thinking wistfully about the steel bike.

A few months ago I was gifted a 1986 Trek 500 Tri-series frame. It doesn't have the original paint scheme, but did have the Shimano 600 SIS group. The front and rear brakes don't match: the rear is a Diacompe G 500 and I'm not sure what the front brake is.



Honestly, it was in decent shape. After servicing the bottom bracket and headset I could have bought some wheels with a 6-speed freewheel and it would have been usable. But I decided that I wanted it to be a bike that I'd ride regularly. Also, not too long ago I had a chance to borrow a bike equipped with a Campagnolo Chorus groupset and loved the feel. The added bonus of upgrading to an 11-speed groupset was that I would be able to use Campy but keep my wheels with the Shimano cassette. I liked the idea of a silver crankset so I decided to go with the 11-speed Centaur. Along the way I learned a ton about wrenching and feel about 100x more confident in my ability to keep a bike running smoothly than before I took on this project. Since taking these photos I swapped the saddle from my Ridley onto this one (it's white), and have ordered some Tektro R539s since I'm planning to occasionally put some wider tires on it and do a little more off-roading.











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Old 05-27-19, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
Great looking Allez! 4600 is a very good groupset, with the shifters inheriting 7800 Dura-Ace's internals. The rest is simply well-proven Shimano running gear, and excellent combination.

As for me, I have an "official" entry of my 1987 Schwinn Prologue, kitted up properly, in the outdoors (aka good lighting), looking as stealth as can be. She will give her components to another frameset soon, which makes me a little sad that the whole Black & Smoked look will be less so, but fear not (you all, and me as well), she will not suffer with inferior components. She'll be black with a bit of sparkle, and I think it will be stunning.

Full 7900 Dura-Ace, 7850 Dura-Ace wheelset, FSA K-Force carbon bars and stem, Specialized Ribcage bottle cages, Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX tires, Prologo Scratch Pro saddle.

I bought that frame the year it came out and installed Shimano Dura Ace/600 components. One of the best riding bikes I ever owned. I had the fork chromed though, back then it only cost me $25 to do it.
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Old 05-28-19, 10:06 AM
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Love this, I've been looking for a 25" Prologue for years now!

Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
Great looking Allez! 4600 is a very good groupset, with the shifters inheriting 7800 Dura-Ace's internals. The rest is simply well-proven Shimano running gear, and excellent combination.

As for me, I have an "official" entry of my 1987 Schwinn Prologue, kitted up properly, in the outdoors (aka good lighting), looking as stealth as can be. She will give her components to another frameset soon, which makes me a little sad that the whole Black & Smoked look will be less so, but fear not (you all, and me as well), she will not suffer with inferior components. She'll be black with a bit of sparkle, and I think it will be stunning.

Full 7900 Dura-Ace, 7850 Dura-Ace wheelset, FSA K-Force carbon bars and stem, Specialized Ribcage bottle cages, Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX tires, Prologo Scratch Pro saddle.

Really like this, and it's the right size for me!
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Old 05-28-19, 11:14 AM
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That green & white color scheme is nice on that Trek.
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Old 05-28-19, 02:45 PM
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Really like this, and it's the right size for me!
Thanks! Keep searching, because they're worth every penny. Build period-correct if you like, but know that they're worthy of the best of modern componentry if you want. I have found that my late '80s Davidson Impulse (same size, custom blend of Prestige) is the proverbial other side of the same coin. I'd keep a lookout for one of those as well.
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Just finished my new city bike!

After my ST400 got stolen, I built this up over the winter. Took me too long and need to work out a few bugs, but overall a fun test ride!

Miyata 610 had a bent fork, Aquila Strada Max had a cracked head tube. Real Frankenstein machine!





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That green & white color scheme is nice on that Trek.
Yeah I debated having it repainted since the paint is chipped in a lot of spots but the longer Iíve had it the more I like it. Iím still thinking of doing it (maybe keeping the green and white) but so far Iíve only been able to find two options in the San Diego area: 1) powder coating it in one color for $120 or so, or 2) paying Joe Bell close to $1k to paint it.
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Modern frame with old components

Since I am not a fan of all the new stuff out there (a lot of which seem to have problems due to the complexity, or whatever; based on reading stuff about "brifters", electronics, etc., expensive to buy and expensive to fix); I like the DT friction shifting (easy to fix, adjust, inexpensive) best and don't need one thousand gears, heck I've rarely used a small chainring and have been satisfied with a 6 speed rear for over 30 years; my road bike has no front derailleur, but I still have a double ring (manual shift if needed). What I'd like to do is go backwards and take my Colnago Asso (I call it the "Assole"!) and put friction shifters on it, but the tubing shape and size are preventing me from installing a set of DT clamp-on levers. Any ideas? I was thinking of custom making a clamp band to fit the tubing. I expect to have to use some sort of spacer for the freewheel since the rear spread is wider than the older frame (122mm going to a 130mm on the Asso).

Thanks all; please don't make me feel like too much of an idiot!
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Since I am not a fan of all the new stuff out there (a lot of which seem to have problems due to the complexity, or whatever; based on reading stuff about "brifters", electronics, etc., expensive to buy and expensive to fix); I like the DT friction shifting (easy to fix, adjust, inexpensive) best and don't need one thousand gears, heck I've rarely used a small chainring and have been satisfied with a 6 speed rear for over 30 years; my road bike has no front derailleur, but I still have a double ring (manual shift if needed). What I'd like to do is go backwards and take my Colnago Asso (I call it the "Assole"!) and put friction shifters on it, but the tubing shape and size are preventing me from installing a set of DT clamp-on levers. Any ideas? I was thinking of custom making a clamp band to fit the tubing. I expect to have to use some sort of spacer for the freewheel since the rear spread is wider than the older frame (122mm going to a 130mm on the Asso).

Thanks all; please don't make me feel like too much of an idiot!
You would want to start a new thread and post some pictures. While most of the people here appreciate your feeling on friction, this space is for showing what can be done with modern components. Good luck.
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You would want to start a new thread and post some pictures. While most of the people here appreciate your feeling on friction, this space is for showing what can be done with modern components. Good luck.
Thanks, I was putting out a feeler, since after reading many threads they seem to seem to stray off topic quite regularly. I was just seeing if someone was already on that track.
I will put out a new thread. Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow.
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Thanks, I was putting out a feeler, since after reading many threads they seem to seem to stray off topic quite regularly. I was just seeing if someone was already on that track.
I will put out a new thread. Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow.
Since you asked... https://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle...-AL-FRAME.html
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Thank you, I took a look and might be an option. Tubing is odd shaped so would need some more customization to fit frame if I go that route.
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I've had this 1993 Allez on the back burner for a few years. Work, kids and life in general take priority over hobbies sometimes.
I finally got around to painting it over the winter. I used DuPont automotive base/clear with Velocals under the clear. Decals are for an '85 Allez but I had them already. Paint is a late 90s GM dark metallic green.
Looks like you did a great job on the paint. Do you have a lot of painting experience?

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As for me, I have an "official" entry of my 1987 Schwinn Prologue
Really love that font! It's so futuristic 80's, straight out of TNG or Knight Rider.
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Looks like you did a great job on the paint. Do you have a lot of painting experience?



Really love that font! It's so futuristic 80's, straight out of TNG or Knight Rider.
I really dig the font as well. I think the Ontare (first year Schwinn Aluminum before being renamed to all numbers) also shares the font. The wide letter Paramount font is also a favorite of mine.
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I really dig the font as well. I think the Ontare (first year Schwinn Aluminum before being renamed to all numbers) also shares the font. The wide letter Paramount font is also a favorite of mine.
Lemme guess, The Wraith is one of your all time favorite movies too, right?
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Lemme guess, The Wraith is one of your all time favorite movies too, right?
Never seen it, though I've read about the car that was built and used in it.
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Never seen it, though I've read about the car that was built and used in it.
Dude. Duuude. Seriously? It's amazing, and not just the cars.

OK, sorry everyone, back on topic...
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Originally Posted by robertorolfo View Post
Dude. Duuude. Seriously? It's amazing, and not just the cars.

OK, sorry everyone, back on topic...
Extremely seriously. I guess I know what I'm watching tonight though. (it is a bit scarce on the 'tube with most TV shows all wrapped up as well as many sports' seasons concluding).

Anyways, Miatas. Looked at NC's last night. Seat pan / rail modification to sit it down another inch (needed) is very possible. Temped, but also at that price range, temped by '04-06 GTOs, and early '00s S2000s. Decisions...
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Lemme guess, The Wraith is one of your all time favorite movies too, right?

Nope, just the bike.
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Realized that I've never posted my mutt in here.

1981 Trek 710 frameset
Campy Mirage 8spd ergos and long cage derailleur
Shifting across 6 speeds of a 7spd Shimano Hyperglide 14-28 cassette due to my 14t Uniglide lockring creating something like a 14-14-18-20-22-24-28 cluster. 126mm OLD Shimano 600EX hub.

And a Shimano 105 front derailleur shifting a SunXCD crank with Velo Orange 46-30 chainrings.

It's weird but it works.

Oh, and the fork is from a Velo Orange Polyvalent MKIII.

Once again, it's really weird, but it works quite well. Probably my favorite bike I've ever owned.

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