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Old 10-10-14, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by upthywazzoo
Did you set it up with spacers to adjust the chainline according to Shimano's manual?
My problem is the chain line is too far out. So far out my front derailleur can't shift far enough to get to the big ring
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Originally Posted by agchopz
My problem is the chain line is too far out. So far out my front derailleur can't shift far enough to get to the big ring
This is actually kind of surprising. I'll ask the obvious question just to get it out of the way, did you release the limit screw far enough?
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When I'm not driving, I'll sit and figger on it a mite
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Originally Posted by shoota
This is actually kind of surprising. I'll ask the obvious question just to get it out of the way, did you release the limit screw far enough?
I sure did. I did all I could think of. Released the pressure in the shifter released the barrel adjuser re tightened the cable. Someone suggested to make sure the crank is installed properly. (Which it certainly seems) but I'll be trying that when I get home
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Originally Posted by agchopz
I sure did. I did all I could think of. Released the pressure in the shifter released the barrel adjuser re tightened the cable. Someone suggested to make sure the crank is installed properly. (Which it certainly seems) but I'll be trying that when I get home
This doesn't sound like a 'chain line' problem, strictly speaking... If you disconnect the shift cable, can you push the front derailleur far enough with your hand to reach the big ring when the limit screw is wound out fully? If not, your derailleur might be defective/damaged, or your crank is installed wrong.
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That's a hot one!
Finished it late last night and rode 22 miles this morning around the house to test it out - fantastic riding bike... so enjoyable!

I still need to de-sticker the rims and then install the new Conty Ultra Sport tires...

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Very nice Bottecchia! This really is my kind of thread!

Let's start with my previous build, a Vitus Plus Carbone 3, which I bought as a frame without fork and seatpost. It was an horibble job 'restoring' because of the strange french stuff needed (like a 23mm seatpost and special Vitus-fork...). It did turn out as i wanted, although i recently sold it. It was a pleasure to ride, but i didn't trusted the old carbon enough to use it for regular cycling.







Now working to turn a '86 Gazelle Champion Mondial (i'm a bit of a chauvinist ) into a all day bike. Pics will follow.
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Awesome pics, dizono. Have fun (veel plezier!) with that champion mondial.
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Love the yellow cables, they really "pop".
Photos are great, is that just a very short depth of field or the magic of photoshop.
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Love the yellow cables, they really "pop".
Photos are great, is that just a very short depth of field or the magic of photoshop.
I'm a photographer so it's mainly talent .

I didn't want logo's, but missed some color. That's why I decided to bring the yellow that's normaly in the logo's back with the cables.

This is my '86 Gazelle Champion Mondial AB 531 two months ago:


Then with a full 7-speed RSX-group (and bad cable routing...). The crank is replaced with a triple RX100 (which I polished this morning), the frontderailleur with a tripple RSX, the rear derailleur with a 7700, the brakes with 6600. Now waiting for new wheels (Rose built with 36 spokes and 105 hubs) to finish it. The idea is to convert it to 9 or 10 speed later on. The new wheels are compatible and so is the rear derailleur. And if I have saved enough, I'd like to repaint it in Cinelli Laser Azzuro with the same logo's but then in black (the original paint is a bit rough after 30 years).

I'm in love with the handlebar:

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Originally Posted by Dizono
Very nice Bottecchia! This really is my kind of thread!

Let's start with my previous build, a Vitus Plus Carbone 3, which I bought as a frame without fork and seatpost. It was an horibble job 'restoring' because of the strange french stuff needed (like a 23mm seatpost and special Vitus-fork...). It did turn out as i wanted, although i recently sold it. It was a pleasure to ride, but i didn't trusted the old carbon enough to use it for regular cycling.
Dizono, thanks for the comments on the Bottecchia - wish I could do it justice with photos like yours! Beautiful bikes also...!
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Originally Posted by Dizono

This is my '86 Gazelle Champion Mondial AB 531 two months ago:
wait, an AB without fender eyelets?
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Originally Posted by Italuminium
wait, an AB without fender eyelets?
Yes, like every AB. It's a bit confusing though, as there are the A-, AA- AB-, AA-Specials and AA-Supers. It's the A- which has eyelets for fenders and a bigger clearance between the wheel and the seattube (is that the right name in English?). The AA is the model for criteriums, with a small wheelbase. The AA-Super has a dent in the seattube so the wheelbase is even shorter. The AB is right in between and has a little longer wheelbase although not as long as the A. The Special at last, has internal cable routing for the rearbrake. Strangely, my cycling mate has a Special from around 95-96 in the same framesize, so apparently an AA frame, but the wheelbase is the same as my AB...

It's a bit of a repost from the Dutch Invasion thread, but this is the Gazelle right now. On the first pictures, it was mainly consumables replaced + new stem, now it's almost complete (for now).









-1985 Gazelle Champion Mondial AB 531c 60cm
-RSX 7-speed STI's and triple front derailleur
-RX100 triple crankset (polished)
-Dura-Ace 7700 rear derailleur
-Ultegra 6600 brakes
-Rose-built wheels with Xtreme Airline 4 rims, DT spokes and 105 5800 hubs (with three spacers for 7-speed casette)
-Dura-Ace PD-7401 pedals
-Chinese saddle that suits me well =)

I've just changed the 52 chainring for a more classic looking 53, but i've got to test it to see if that works properly. The front derailleur is already at the highest point and is only mm's away from the teeth. The right STI wasn't functioning well, as I had to press the small lever sometimes for over 5 times to shift to a smaller cog. I found out that it's due to old grease Shimano used and flushing it with penetrating oil and afterwards greasing it with a modern grease, it works like a charm =). The bike however is upgraded in such a way (9-speed RD and up to 11-speed wheels) that upgrading to 9 or 10 speed is relatively easy.

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^^ Beauty! Are those headtube cable guides part of the lower headset cup? A washer?
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I thought those things were common, as my aluminium bike had one as well, but I can't find any pictures of it online. It's a ring with two cable guides which is fitted between the cup of the headset and the steer tube. So you have to remove the headset to get that thing out of the way.
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Originally Posted by John E
That is the first time I have ever seen brifters with toeclips.

This thread reminds me of classic car restorers and collectors, who fall into three broad and over-generalized categories:
1) Keep everything as original as absolutely possible, .......................... possibly even one with positive ground, which could get interesting (in the worst sense of the word) during a jump start.

Owned the MM for 30+ years, only an idiot would do that. Besides, there's a crank in the boot for that.
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I guess this can go in here. 1993 Marinoni Special.

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Originally Posted by ham
I guess this can go in here. 1993 Marinoni Special.

Damn you're tall! That's a very nice bike, how do you like it converted?
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Originally Posted by ham
I guess this can go in here. 1993 Marinoni Special.

I like that color combo. I guess frames that size are hard to find. I have to ask, what size is your inseam?
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Originally Posted by RaleighSport
Damn you're tall! That's a very nice bike, how do you like it converted?
I picked it up as a frameset so I never got to try it in it's original incarnation. But I'm definitely a fan of the tight geometry and the Columbus SP stiffness.


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I like that color combo. I guess frames that size are hard to find. I have to ask, what size is your inseam?
I like it too, but unfortunately the paint on the white sections is a pretty rough - might end up getting it repainted in the same colors at Marinoni one day. And yes, higher end frames this size are pretty hard to come by, took about two years to find this one. Mind you, I was specifically looking for a Marinoni.

Inseam is right around 38.25".
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Replaced the 8 speed drive train, on my Concorde , with 11 speed Athena. Wheels are Mavic open pro rims and Chorus hubs.
Haven't had time to properly ride it yet. Only a roll out from the shed, in the dark, to check the shifting and breaking. It was decent and only fine tuning remains. Hopefully I'll have time before dark this afternoon to do a few km's.






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Love my Denti. 84 master corsa updated to modern 10 speed. Maybe a little late to the party, but this thread rocks.
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Love my Denti. 84 master corsa updated to modern 10 speed. Maybe a little late to the party, but this thread rocks.
Your Denti turned out sweet! This thread is unreal - the only thing I struggle with about putting modern components on vintage bikes is so many modern wheels are plastered with stickers which detracts from the vintage look in my opinion. I mentioned above that I wanted to de-sticker the Vuelta rims on my Bottecchia but it took 20 mins with a hair dryer to do one side of one rim and it still needed a lot of cleaning off of the residue.

I opted to look for a less offensive set of silver rims (since the black did not set well with me either). So here is the Bottecchia in what I think is its final iteration for some time:

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NICE! I love those old Botteccias. I just upgraded my brakes to 5700 to match the rest of the drivetrain. The pedals will be the last upgrade before I call it done. The guys at the bike shop asked me to bring it in when I picked up the brakes, and a long conversation about upgrading old steel frames ensued.
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Looks good either way but I agree with the silver rims. However... it would look better in my garage me thinks... lol

Nice bike, nicely done. What component group is on it?
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