Retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos
04-21-18, 11:41 AM
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I bought this Norwegian DBS Professionale som years ago with a DA AX mix group. Now I have put on a set of battered DA 7800 parts from a crashed carbon bike I bought. Used
Mavic Equipe wheels. Everything is a bit battered but it is straight and rides very nicely.
Mavic Equipe wheels. Everything is a bit battered but it is straight and rides very nicely.
04-22-18, 04:13 PM
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Maybe not vintage, but I like to think of it as classic.
It's a 1995 Tecnos, formerly with an 8 speed Chorus setup, now with a 10 speed Record triple, easier on aging legs.
BTW, the 10 speed gruppo was a birthday present from my wife!
It's a 1995 Tecnos, formerly with an 8 speed Chorus setup, now with a 10 speed Record triple, easier on aging legs.
BTW, the 10 speed gruppo was a birthday present from my wife!
04-22-18, 04:43 PM
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04-23-18, 07:57 AM
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I had a set of velocity wheels on my retro roadie with horizontal dropouts, and the rear wheel would often shift when I would pull away from stops. On Saturday I tightened the skewer after it slipped again pulling away from a stoplight and I bent the lever. I had to push it closed with my foot so I could ride home.
On Sunday I replaced the wheels with a set that has some old chorus hubs and they worked fine. It seems that some hubs don't like horizontal dropouts.
On Sunday I replaced the wheels with a set that has some old chorus hubs and they worked fine. It seems that some hubs don't like horizontal dropouts.
04-23-18, 08:57 AM
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Here is my new (to me) ~1996 Lemond titanium/carbon with a mix of Campagnolo Record and Campagnolo Veloce components.
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04-24-18, 07:43 AM
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8 speed or 10/11 speed? Im thinking of upgrading one of my bikes to either 10 or 11speed..any opinions? Most of mines are all 8spd ergo/sti..curious on what the difference might be..
04-24-18, 08:16 AM
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2-If you're using 8-sp STI, and upgrade will not require new wheels, as Shimano goes 8/9/10.
3-Hang onto that 1mm freehub spacer ring if you have it. Cassettes vary.
4-8-sp Ergo to 10/11 Ergo II? New wheels, better shifting, less feel of the cable, but still there.
5-8-sp STI to 10/11 STI. Significant difference in smoothness, more across-the-board compatibility.
I still have yet to find anything as silky smooth, light and agile and precise as 9-sp 7700, but the DA 9000 11-sp is very close. There are still a lot of people that don't like along-the-bar cable routing for STI shifters. It sure is more painstaking to install. 11-sp DA, routed like the 7700, seems like it would be wicked.
If you shift the front rings a lot, 11-sp really has better FD mechanisms, from SRAM to Shimano. Campy's FD action, for me, has always been superior on the Ergo side. And of course, Campy's Ergo FD's can trim.
Generally, you will find a weight savings, especially on the crankset/BB. Generally, you will cuss more installing it. Generally, once it's adjusted, especially the RD/FD, it works well. And generally, 2-3 more cogs in the rear, even if it doesn't sound like much, can make a difference if the terrain calls for it.
04-24-18, 09:14 AM
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What is the crankset?
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04-24-18, 09:50 AM
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Thanks! Crankset is an old Fsa Carbon Pro-set I har lying around. Weighs in at 20.5 pound.
04-24-18, 10:20 AM
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I had a set of velocity wheels on my retro roadie with horizontal dropouts, and the rear wheel would often shift when I would pull away from stops. On Saturday I tightened the skewer after it slipped again pulling away from a stoplight and I bent the lever. I had to push it closed with my foot so I could ride home.
On Sunday I replaced the wheels with a set that has some old chorus hubs and they worked fine. It seems that some hubs don't like horizontal dropouts.
On Sunday I replaced the wheels with a set that has some old chorus hubs and they worked fine. It seems that some hubs don't like horizontal dropouts.
Internal cam(shimano, campy, etc) clamp strong enough.
04-24-18, 11:09 PM
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+1. Especially with chromed dropouts. I won't bother with anything other than Shimano skewers on my Merckx.
04-25-18, 07:14 AM
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04-25-18, 09:14 AM
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1-If you're using 8-sp Ergo, an upgrade will require new wheels, as Campy 8 does not mean 8/9/10.
2-If you're using 8-sp STI, and upgrade will not require new wheels, as Shimano goes 8/9/10.
3-Hang onto that 1mm freehub spacer ring if you have it. Cassettes vary.
4-8-sp Ergo to 10/11 Ergo II? New wheels, better shifting, less feel of the cable, but still there.
5-8-sp STI to 10/11 STI. Significant difference in smoothness, more across-the-board compatibility.
I still have yet to find anything as silky smooth, light and agile and precise as 9-sp 7700, but the DA 9000 11-sp is very close. There are still a lot of people that don't like along-the-bar cable routing for STI shifters. It sure is more painstaking to install. 11-sp DA, routed like the 7700, seems like it would be wicked.
If you shift the front rings a lot, 11-sp really has better FD mechanisms, from SRAM to Shimano. Campy's FD action, for me, has always been superior on the Ergo side. And of course, Campy's Ergo FD's can trim.
Generally, you will find a weight savings, especially on the crankset/BB. Generally, you will cuss more installing it. Generally, once it's adjusted, especially the RD/FD, it works well. And generally, 2-3 more cogs in the rear, even if it doesn't sound like much, can make a difference if the terrain calls for it.
2-If you're using 8-sp STI, and upgrade will not require new wheels, as Shimano goes 8/9/10.
3-Hang onto that 1mm freehub spacer ring if you have it. Cassettes vary.
4-8-sp Ergo to 10/11 Ergo II? New wheels, better shifting, less feel of the cable, but still there.
5-8-sp STI to 10/11 STI. Significant difference in smoothness, more across-the-board compatibility.
I still have yet to find anything as silky smooth, light and agile and precise as 9-sp 7700, but the DA 9000 11-sp is very close. There are still a lot of people that don't like along-the-bar cable routing for STI shifters. It sure is more painstaking to install. 11-sp DA, routed like the 7700, seems like it would be wicked.
If you shift the front rings a lot, 11-sp really has better FD mechanisms, from SRAM to Shimano. Campy's FD action, for me, has always been superior on the Ergo side. And of course, Campy's Ergo FD's can trim.
Generally, you will find a weight savings, especially on the crankset/BB. Generally, you will cuss more installing it. Generally, once it's adjusted, especially the RD/FD, it works well. And generally, 2-3 more cogs in the rear, even if it doesn't sound like much, can make a difference if the terrain calls for it.
I wasnt really planning on touching any of my current builds as most of my current riders are outfitted with Mavic 571 hubs (1 Mavic spec, 1 Shimano spec, 1 Campagnolo spec
). Im obsessed with Mavic hubs. But again, they are all 8 spds. Dont think it would hurt to have 1 build in 10 or 11 speed. Now time for research!
04-26-18, 05:40 PM
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The velocity levers are internal cam levers, but they don't seem to work. My campy levers work fine with my campy hubs. I haven't tried my campy levers with my velocity hubs, but my guess is that would work too.
04-30-18, 11:15 AM
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Here is my latest build. Some of it I can't take credit for. The groupset was on the bike when I bought it. Everything else was added by me.
Haven't done one of these in a while. It will be fun to see what frames pop up this summer.
Haven't done one of these in a while. It will be fun to see what frames pop up this summer.
05-07-18, 01:45 AM
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Nuova Stradas are stellar bikes! I truly enjoy mine. Yours looks gorgeous in that all white paint!
05-08-18, 11:37 AM
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Ready to ride old gardin with plastic bits and campy 10
05-08-18, 01:18 PM
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Update/Dilemma!
As I mentioned earlier, I was inspired by some of the bikes posted in here to embark on my own project, updating my '86 Legend with Campagnolo Centaur/Veloce 10sp stuff. I'm already well on my way to having sourced everything I need (I can't believe how reasonable the prices are on some of these things), but the other night I caught a glimpse of my reflection as I was going into my building and, damn, I think the bike looks pretty great as is. Everything on it is completely stock and original, aside from the saddle and bar tape, and I really like the way it looks. Plus, I just gave it a mini tune-up and it is riding flawlessly.
Meanwhile, my 1089 Basso PR is sitting quietly on one side of my apartment, wearing a fairly unsightly mishmosh of 7sp Shimano 105 stuff (front hub is newer 105 and black, rear is older and grey, cranks are tricolore, brake levers are new and generic Shimano...). So that got me thinking that I should do the modern build on the Basso instead. Am I crazy for changing plans?
Edit: This would be the Basso canvass
Some of the new parts I bought are black, because I think the black would look good with the Lotus color scheme, but I think it can work on the Basso as well (green/yellow paint). I think the Lotus would have looked really nice with the new parts, but I just got to thinking it looks really nice as is, and it's all original. Why take that stuff off when the Basso stuff is anything but original, and it certainly won't be missed?
As I mentioned earlier, I was inspired by some of the bikes posted in here to embark on my own project, updating my '86 Legend with Campagnolo Centaur/Veloce 10sp stuff. I'm already well on my way to having sourced everything I need (I can't believe how reasonable the prices are on some of these things), but the other night I caught a glimpse of my reflection as I was going into my building and, damn, I think the bike looks pretty great as is. Everything on it is completely stock and original, aside from the saddle and bar tape, and I really like the way it looks. Plus, I just gave it a mini tune-up and it is riding flawlessly.
Meanwhile, my 1089 Basso PR is sitting quietly on one side of my apartment, wearing a fairly unsightly mishmosh of 7sp Shimano 105 stuff (front hub is newer 105 and black, rear is older and grey, cranks are tricolore, brake levers are new and generic Shimano...). So that got me thinking that I should do the modern build on the Basso instead. Am I crazy for changing plans?
Edit: This would be the Basso canvass
Some of the new parts I bought are black, because I think the black would look good with the Lotus color scheme, but I think it can work on the Basso as well (green/yellow paint). I think the Lotus would have looked really nice with the new parts, but I just got to thinking it looks really nice as is, and it's all original. Why take that stuff off when the Basso stuff is anything but original, and it certainly won't be missed?
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05-08-18, 02:30 PM
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Lotus is my vote.
Update/Dilemma!
As I mentioned earlier, I was inspired by some of the bikes posted in here to embark on my own project, updating my '86 Legend with Campagnolo Centaur/Veloce 10sp stuff. I'm already well on my way to having sourced everything I need (I can't believe how reasonable the prices are on some of these things), but the other night I caught a glimpse of my reflection as I was going into my building and, damn, I think the bike looks pretty great as is. Everything on it is completely stock and original, aside from the saddle and bar tape, and I really like the way it looks. Plus, I just gave it a mini tune-up and it is riding flawlessly.
Meanwhile, my 1089 Basso PR is sitting quietly on one side of my apartment, wearing a fairly unsightly mishmosh of 7sp Shimano 105 stuff (front hub is newer 105 and black, rear is older and grey, cranks are tricolore, brake levers are new and generic Shimano...). So that got me thinking that I should do the modern build on the Basso instead. Am I crazy for changing plans?
Edit: This would be the Basso canvass
Some of the new parts I bought are black, because I think the black would look good with the Lotus color scheme, but I think it can work on the Basso as well (green/yellow paint). I think the Lotus would have looked really nice with the new parts, but I just got to thinking it looks really nice as is, and it's all original. Why take that stuff off when the Basso stuff is anything but original, and it certainly won't be missed?
As I mentioned earlier, I was inspired by some of the bikes posted in here to embark on my own project, updating my '86 Legend with Campagnolo Centaur/Veloce 10sp stuff. I'm already well on my way to having sourced everything I need (I can't believe how reasonable the prices are on some of these things), but the other night I caught a glimpse of my reflection as I was going into my building and, damn, I think the bike looks pretty great as is. Everything on it is completely stock and original, aside from the saddle and bar tape, and I really like the way it looks. Plus, I just gave it a mini tune-up and it is riding flawlessly.
Meanwhile, my 1089 Basso PR is sitting quietly on one side of my apartment, wearing a fairly unsightly mishmosh of 7sp Shimano 105 stuff (front hub is newer 105 and black, rear is older and grey, cranks are tricolore, brake levers are new and generic Shimano...). So that got me thinking that I should do the modern build on the Basso instead. Am I crazy for changing plans?
Edit: This would be the Basso canvass
Some of the new parts I bought are black, because I think the black would look good with the Lotus color scheme, but I think it can work on the Basso as well (green/yellow paint). I think the Lotus would have looked really nice with the new parts, but I just got to thinking it looks really nice as is, and it's all original. Why take that stuff off when the Basso stuff is anything but original, and it certainly won't be missed?