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Old 01-07-08, 04:46 PM
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Paganini Supercorsa

I got this bike on Sunday and would like any info you guys might have. The little that I know is that it's a bike made for/by Plum Vainqueur's shop in Gent Belgium (it has a decal ) and that it might possibly might of been built by Ciocc. The brakes are Deltas but not C-record. The crank I thought was Chorus but thanks to the velobase site I think it's a Croce d' Aune as well as for the brakes. The headset is either a C-record or Chorus(I can't tell the difference). The seatpost is SR. The shifters are C-record but I don't know which version. The rear dérailleur is Nuovo Record pat 83 ; the hubs are SR and the brake levers are C-record. The saddle is a "Royal." So far pretty good for 125 bucks. One thing that tripped me out was that the rear shifting of the gears is indexed. I didn't think one could get a Nuovo record to function indexed. Shows how much I know. It works smoothly through all 7 gears. Now, what can you guys tell me about this bike? It has internal cable routing for the rear brake and dérailleur. The fork and rear triangle are gold plated. I don't know what type of Columbus tubing it's made of but check out the decal. Any help will be appreciated. For some reason, these small bikes keep plaguing me. The wife loved this one for some reason, yet not the Merckx. Must be the hot pink. The components are being used on my Colnago which I should have repainted in the next couple of weeks. I have an old Dura ace group that I'm thinking of putting on this one for the wife. What do you guys think? What year is it? Should I go off the Nuovo Record date of 83 or the newer components? Thanks!
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Sweet Ride! I was under the impression that CdA and Chorus groups used the same crank-set, what is the difference? I can't tell you anything about it, looks like you have syncro shifters, yes with the right insert and the barrel adjuster for the RD you can make a NR index.

Edit: After posting I went and looked at velobase, unfortunately I don't have access to my catalogs and the tuttobici site seems to be down so I couldn't confirm what I saw. If you ask me the CdA and the Athena on VeloBase are poured from the same mold. If I had to speculate I'd guess the only difference might be finish. I always thought CdA was a mis-mash of the other groups aside from it's funky Rear Derailleur.
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Old 01-07-08, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
Sweet Ride! I was under the impression that CdA and Chorus groups used the same crank-set, what is the difference? I can't tell you anything about it, looks like you have syncro shifters, yes with the right insert and the barrel adjuster for the RD you can make a NR index.
Thanks! I was going off of what I saw and read in Velobase pertaining to the crank set.
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
Sweet Ride! I was under the impression that CdA and Chorus groups used the same crank-set, what is the difference? I can't tell you anything about it, looks like you have syncro shifters, yes with the right insert and the barrel adjuster for the RD you can make a NR index.

Edit: After posting I went and looked at velobase, unfortunately I don't have access to my catalogs and the tuttobici site seems to be down so I couldn't confirm what I saw. If you ask me the CdA and the Athena on VeloBase are poured from the same mold. If I had to speculate I'd guess the only difference might be finish. I always thought CdA was a mis-mash of the other groups aside from it's funky Rear Derailleur.

Record, CdA, Chorus and Athena all had distinct cranks. I posted pictures of all four back in this thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=341602

As for CdA being a "mis-mash", at least the cranks, brakes and both derailleurs were unique to the group, I'm not sure about the rest, but off the top of my head but I think the hubs were Record and the rest Chorus.
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Originally Posted by marengo View Post
Record, CdA, Chorus and Athena all had distinct cranks. I posted pictures of all four back in this thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=341602

As for CdA being a "mis-mash", at least the cranks, brakes and both derailleurs were unique to the group, I'm not sure about the rest, but off the top of my head but I think the hubs were Record and the rest Chorus.
I see it now, they are definitely different. Beside being issued with different crank bolts I finally see the main difference. On Cda the Spider convex like that of record, while on athena the spider is concave. Thanks Marengo, you are quickly proving to be a campy IDing authority! Good to have you aboard.
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Aw shucks, I'm blushing. But seriously, that curve is the key and it's hard to see from straight on.
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I think for $125: you stole it! '83 seems plausible, but could be a year or 2 later. My guess is that it was "updated" with newer components (and not retrodated with older stuff) but I'm just guessing. The sticker seems likely to help date it as it's prior to the "SL" or "SP" designation being added. Nice bike, your wife should love it!
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Originally Posted by marengo View Post
Record, CdA, Chorus and Athena all had distinct cranks. I posted pictures of all four back in this thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=341602

As for CdA being a "mis-mash", at least the cranks, brakes and both derailleurs were unique to the group, I'm not sure about the rest, but off the top of my head but I think the hubs were Record and the rest Chorus.
That was really educational. Thanks for that info.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
I think for $125: you stole it! '83 seems plausible, but could be a year or 2 later. My guess is that it was "updated" with newer components (and not retrodated with older stuff) but I'm just guessing. The sticker seems likely to help date it as it's prior to the "SL" or "SP" designation being added. Nice bike, your wife should love it!
I steal from the Belgian and give to poor little me. I also thought the same about it being updated with newer componets, since the seat post, hubs, and front derailleur all seem to be older components. ANd now that you mentioned the columbus sticker I remember reading somewhere here on BF that the "SL" was not on the decals till 81/82; I think it was caterham or T-Mar that said that. So my(wife's) bike is mostl likely older than 82.

Do you guys know anything about the saddle? It's nothing like what I've seen. I'm 27 so that doesn't mean a whole lot.

Edit: I just saw a thread on it and it's a Selle Royal CX. But...how does it compare to other leather saddles like Brooks, Ideale, etc..?

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Members plodderslusk and vicsutton have Paganini frames.

I used to have one.

Check here for some more info.

I'd guess yours is late 80's assuming the paintjob is original. Ugly (to my eyes) flouro paint jobs generally came in during the late 80's.

I also used one of those saddles briefly when I was a kid. They were a reasonably high end product IIRC, but uncomfortable as hell.

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... Ugly (to my eyes) flouro paint jobs generally came in during the late 80's.
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I feel the same regarding this sort of paint scheme, but it is a very nice bike at a great price.
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" I just saw a thread on it and it's a Selle Royal CX. But...how does it compare to other leather saddles like Brooks, Ideale, etc..?"

Some years ago, Nashbar was selling some Selle Royale for around $5 ea, so I got one & found it comfortable, although others disagree. I rode it on several commuter bikes then put it on the Zeus I gave to my son. He also likes it for the rides he does.(20-30 miles) It is similar to a Turbo but has firmer padding. I also had a similar type saddle that Brooks made called the "Vitesse": a plastic base with layer of medium padding & a thin leather cover. These are quite different from the traditional leather Brooks.

Comfort is very subjective & depends on your anatomy as well as the amount & type of cycling you do, but of those I have personally ridden, I would rate them from least comfy to most comfy as follows: Brooks Vitesse, Selle Royale, Turbo(all similar but the padding moves from firmer to softer with turbo being softest) then a big jump in comfort to the heavy/thicker all leather saddles: Ideal, Pryma, Selle, Brooks Swallow, Pro, Swift, B15, B17, B72. Don
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True this frame shows some features that would skew it to later '80s (the paint and internal cable routing, maybe the 126 rear spacing) but that gold plating and the Columbus decal (which may be just old stock) and the older driveline components are what seemed like clues of an earlier '80s frame with modern upgrades. I think Plum Vainquer is still in business, try asking them.
PS: looks like a product of the Ciocc stables to me, too, but certainly not older than '82.
Edit: couple little thoughts at random: is there a small hole in the driveside dropout? That can't be for Portacatena, but whatizzit? And watch out for cracking there if it IS a hole.
Trivia contest: note the similarity of this Paganini "P" and the Univega "U"...who copied who?

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Originally Posted by John E View Post
I feel the same regarding this sort of paint scheme, but it is a very nice bike at a great price.
Me too......but it's a cool looking bike either way that my wife will look better riding than me.
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