ridethecliche

Found this on craigslist and I was wondering what information people had on it.
Thanks!

luker

well, I have a couple in my garage and I don't feel sure that I can say this ain't. The decals don't belong to the original bike; these come from the 80's and it looks like the bike has nervar lugs. But it is a pretty nice frame no matter what it is. Fork's not original to the bike either. How much?

jet sanchEz

Have you already bought it? Those same pictures on eBay with a BIN of $600 and it would be gone in a heartbeat. Maybe even $700.

marengo

See this thread over at Fixed Gear Gallery:
https://www.fixedgeargallery.com/foru...er=asc&start=0

ridethecliche

I was thinking of getting a fixie/SS at some point of time and if the price is right then I might get this. I think the thing is going to be really over priced and the seller doesn't seem to know too much about it.

I was honestly just checking to see what it was because it looked really strange and didn't look like the track paramounts that I've seen on here.

oharescrubs

looks stolen to me.

Scooper

If you possibly can, get the seller to provide you with the serial number.

Luker is right about the Nervex lugs; they don't belong on a late eighties Paramount, and the decals are late eighties Waterford. I can't tell for sure that the lugs are Nervex because there's not enough detail in the photo, but it sure looks like they might be. The other thing that looks odd to me is the chainstay length which makes the frame look like it should be a touring or road bike, not a track bike. The 1987 road Paramount had 410mm chainstays and a 70mm BB drop, while the '87 track Paramount had 395mm chainstays and a 60mm BB drop. The track dropouts may have been brazed onto a road frame. The fork doesn't look like it's original to the frame.

Getting the serial number would go a long way toward figuring out what it is.

cyclotoine

considering the fat that there is a rear brake on it I am going to guess it is an earlier paramount road bike which had track ends installed and was repainted the same time (hence new decals) and of course the fork is a replacement (to facilitate the front brake).

The cheep seat and post along with the crap brakes and REFLECTOR are baffling though.

mastershake916

Yeah, the track end looks to be a little off.
I'm going to be doing the same thing to another schwinn, except it's a high sierra and one of the dropouts is already busted.

piwonka

there is a der. hanger on the track end and in that link marengo posted it was said it is stolen by a guy local to the seller.

BlankCrows

The frame does look 70's-ish with those lugs. There likely won't be a serial number on those track dropouts if they were added on later. My 1972 Paramount has the serial number stamped into the fork steerer post as well, but the fork on this one isn't original so a serial number couldn't be found there either.

ridethecliche

I don't think I was as interested in buying it as I was in finding out what it actually is.

cyclotoine

ah-zo! A strange fish indeed. Is it possible waterford build some bikes with leftover lugs in the late 80s? Or could is be a rare 70s bike repainted? Or not a paramount at all. We may never know.

mrejda

Heh - makes me feel good about offering him $80 for it. He told me he's near the Philly airport. According to the thread above he admitted to it being stolen.

ridethecliche

I don't want to accuse someone without seeing the proof of it. If the OP from that thread pasted the email then I would have given it more thought.

Point being, I want to know what the bike is, just out of curiosity. My mother would FREAK if I brought home another bike.

dbakl

I agree, it looks like a 70s road frame with track ends and later decals. In that case, the serial number would've been on the road dropout.

cyclotoine

Someone did post a picture in the FFG thread of a 72 paramount with track ends that had a derailleur hanger so they are out there. However, that bike did not have the front fork drilled (i realize the above has a replacement fork) which would make me question whether they ever had the rear drilled or if it was even possible? I know some brake bridges on track bikes are too thin to be drilled so I don't know for sure, also I don't think the '72 has the housing stop that the above bike appears to have, nor does the above appear to have the chrome. Note that in the photo below the wheel at the front of the DOs and above it is at the back which could account for what appears to be longer chainstays on the blue bike.



we'll need more info and photos to get any closer, but by the sounds of how sketchy the current possessor is we may never know.

dbakl

Well, just look at the clearances between the tires and the frame. Doesn't look like a track frame. Here's mine:

cyclotoine

Other notes:
a '73 paramount easily could be drilled for a rear brake:

'73 paramount BB area, very similar no?

cyclotoine

Well I already stated my argument for why the rear clearances seem non-track, and the front is explained by the replacement road fork. I'm not convinced of anything, I'm just investigating via photos (a poor method maybe) and showing others what i find.

Edit: Oops you posted that before I edited my "argument" in. My apologies.

rhenning

Here are a couple more pictures of the black track Paramount with derailluer mounting. The thought I heard was the fellow that had it made wanted to be able to track race it and if he/she wanted to could use it for other types of riding. It had more relaxed geometery than most trak bike. In those days Paramount would build whatever you wanted. These two pictures are of the rear lugs. If you look carefully you can see the Paramount serial number stamped into it. It is a 1972 bike. Roger