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Old 02-21-08, 11:18 PM
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55cm C-T 1960 Capo with Ideale saddle, original Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleurs, steel Agrati cranks, aluminum chainrings, Weinmann centerpulls, full Reynolds 531 frame with butted tubes, tubular tires: 23 lbs. = 10.5 kg.

55cm C-T 1959 Capo with straight-gauge Reynolds 531 framest, Brooks Pro saddle: 24 lbs. = 11 kg.

55cm C-T 1981 Bianchi with Columbus tre tubi frameset, Campagnolo NR derailleurs, Ofmega crankset, lightweight clinchers: 22 lbs. = 10 kg.

57cm C-T 1980 Peugeot PKN-10 with butted Reynolds 531 main triangle ("3 tubes renforces"): 23 lbs. = 10.5 kg.

1971 American Eagle Semi-Pro (Nishiki Competition) with Ishiwata butted CrMo main triangle, aluminum crankset, 27" Araya clincher rims, Brooks Pro saddle: a disappointing 27 lbs. = 12.5kg. Even with tubulars I had trouble getting the total weight down to 25 lbs. = 11.5kg.
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Old 02-22-08, 03:03 PM
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Neal,

When are we going to see some pics of that Super Sport on your website?

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Old 02-22-08, 03:16 PM
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Cool thread. Makes me want to go home and weigh the bike!
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Old 02-22-08, 05:29 PM
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I worked in a bike shop and raced back in the mid 70's. Guys lied more about their bike's weight than the women they bedded or how big they were. Getting under 20 pounds took a lot of effort, and money back then.
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Old 02-22-08, 08:42 PM
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I worked in a bike shop and raced back in the mid 70's. Guys lied more about their bike's weight than the women they bedded or how big they were. Getting under 20 pounds took a lot of effort, and money back then.
You are right about the 20lbs. / 9kg. figure. When I worked at Bikecology from 1972 to 1974, all of us were duly impressed when Art Stump popped by with one of his gorgeous black chrome 19.5 lb. A D Stump bikes.
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Old 02-22-08, 08:47 PM
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Both of my Bianchis, one Italian Columbus TreTubi, the other of unknown material and Japanese, both with heavier Velocity Fusion wheelsets and Brooks saddles weigh in under 25lbs.
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Old 02-22-08, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by divineAndbright View Post
In the old days I'd say 21-23lbs was the lighest you'd get for a good bike.

I think stuff was actually lighter in the 70s. I was weighing some old derailleurs about a month ago when I was going through my parts and all the 70s derailleurs I had were always lighter than my 80s one, guess it has to do with the indexing? I dont know! The same was true with brake calipers, the single pivot ones were lighter than the dual pivots.

You could probably take an old normal sized good quality lugged steel frame from the 70s or 80s and go to town on it with new good parts - dura ace/ultegra or record/chorus for you italians and a good light weight wheel set and have a 18 pound bike in the end... I can't see any other way to get it any lighter without compromising safety!
My near-original Masi Gran Criterium from 1980 is small (53 cm masi-style) and it weighs about 20.5 pounds. The rims are in the 400 g class, I think the traditional Martanos were around 350 g, which would be maybe four ounces less. My 53 cm Mondonico will probably be about 21 pounds when I finish installing the Campy 10 speed gruppo.

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Old 02-22-08, 09:11 PM
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My 23 1/2" Nishiki Professional (Kawamura built, Ishiwata tubed, fully chromed under the paint, long point lugged framed) bike weighed 23 lbs equipped with Campy NR groupset, Cinelli 1R stem, 66/42 bars and Brooks Pro saddle on tubular wheels now weighs just at 20 lbs after I removed the freewheel, F&R derailleurs, downtube shifters, outer chainring and a few links out of the chain,

Always wanted a sub-21 lb C&V bike. Just had to convert it to a fixed gear bike to do it

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Old 02-23-08, 01:37 AM
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My 54cm Rossin SL built with a mix of SR, c-record, and tubulars weighs 19.5 lbs, and that's with a Concor Supercorsa (steel rails). A ti saddle and NR rear der (instead of the heavy but dead sexy 1st gen c-rec) would lighten it up some, but at that point, who cares.

I believe my Mariposa rando bike with random parts, 27" clinchers w. 32mm tires, a rear rack, and a Brooks weighs well over 25lbs, but with this one, weight is not an issue.
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Old 02-23-08, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl View Post
My first derailer bike, Schwinn Continental bought used, weighed 40# too. My Raleigh 531C 57 cm bike weighs 22# with Campagnolo "reduced" Super Record (no titaniumisms), alloy toe clips, Mavic G40 rims, Selle Italia Turbo saddle, Cinelli 66 bar
and stem, and Avocet wire-bead slicks (Criterium 20 front, K20 rear), alloy bottle cage. Now it's heavier, with a longer Nitto seatpost and stem, Noodle bars, Brooks leather saddle, front and rear lights, seatpost spares pack with tubes, a few tools, patch repair kit, and a bell -- haven't weighed it that way. Then there's me: 180# unclothed. Why obsess about the bike? Easier to lose a few # myself than drive myself crazy paring grams from the machine.
I think most weight savings amount to carryng a few Clif bars or not. I just build it so it rides well.

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Old 02-23-08, 09:04 AM
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[QUOTE=John ... all of us were duly impressed when Art Stump popped by with one of his gorgeous black chrome 19.5 lb. A D Stump bikes.[/QUOTE]

Art Stump, he kept tinkering with that bike, I think it lost weight with time, he kept it till the end, a bit small but that would be a bike I would like to have. I did buy from him a set of the front dropouts he made, I will get around to using them SOMEDAY.

For those who do not know, there is a page on the classicrendezvous site on him.
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Old 03-17-08, 07:39 PM
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Just saw this and just bought a hanging scale.

I've had my '82 Colnago since it was new and never knew what it weighed until yesterday; 22 lbs 2 oz with a set of clincher wheels (Campy 36H LF with Mavic MA-40 rims, Conti 700 X 23C tires).

Maybe was mid 21 with racing wheels; Fiamme Ergal rims and Clement Criterium Setas?
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Old 03-17-08, 08:22 PM
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I love this. I am a true weight weenie, always have been. The lightest vintage bikes in my swarm are a 1984 Raleigh Team 753 and an '85 Pinarello Record. They both weigh 19 pounds something. The Pinarello is suprising - its claim to lightness springs from light wheels and CX tubulars, and every OMAS bit that they made, including the titanium parts. The Team also has a titanium bottom bracket and light wheels, but no great effort was made to reduce the weight beyond standard campy parts (except for the bottom bracket. I had it, what can I say?).

In general, they both ride very well, and climb better than others in the collection, but a 21 pound bike will go just as far, just as fast. Light weight was it's own competition. Still is, come to think of it. The race occurs at the convenience store, mid-ride. The finish line is the "official" scale at the LBS. The winner is seldom the winner of the ride, too.

Maybe there should be a special jersey for the lightest bike?
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Wouldn't the lightest jersey be to wear no jersey at all? You could tell the lightest bike by the no shirt guy at the front of the pack, hehe.,,,,BD
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Regardless of what I ride, the bike + rider combination is over 300 lbs. For that reason, I am far more concerned with the weight of the rider than I am about the weight of the bike.
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Originally Posted by divineAndbright View Post
I think stuff was actually lighter in the 70s. I was weighing some old derailleurs about a month ago when I was going through my parts and all the 70s derailleurs I had were always lighter than my 80s one, guess it has to do with the indexing? I dont know! The same was true with brake calipers, the single pivot ones were lighter than the dual pivots.
Some older stuff probably is lighter than some of the newer stuff.

New RD's vs. an ol Campy NR - yeah, it would not surprise me if the old Campy was lighter, although I've never made the comparison. All RD models in the past 20 or so years have been a slant pantograph design. The old Campy was a straight pantograph. The slants need that extra curved piece of metal where the derailleur attaches to the frame, while the straights hung straight down (or a hair bit forward of straight down) from the rear drop out. The swith-over was for function, not weight savings.

Ditto dual pivot brakes vs. single pivot brakes. Dual pivots have more metal in 'em - it's inherent in their design. Again, the switch over was for function, not weight savings.

Another one: brifters probably still weigh more than an old standard brake lever plus standard downtube shifter set-up. That certainly used to be true - Andy Hampsten (and doubtless other climber types) used to ride mountain TdF stages with a brifter for the rear brake/rear derailleur for easier shifting, but a standard brake lever/downtube shifter for the front to save weight. With the increasing use of carbon fiber for brifters, the diffo may not be so much any more. Again, I have never made the comparison.
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Old 03-18-08, 07:51 PM
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My '79 Raleigh Competition GS I just restored weighed in at 24.8 lbs with a 60cm frame, Steel railed Swift, heavy Weinmann concave rims with thick treaded commuter tires, and water bottle cage. I was a little surprised it was so light, and quite pleased. The freewheel alone feels like it weighs 5 lbs! I think with a saddle and wheel upgrade I could get close to the magic 20, even with this large frame.
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a steel swift is 160 grams heavier than a titanium swift. it is over 400 grams heavier than a Selle Italia SLR Carbone. Wheels may not be so obvious. The light racing rims (not Weinmann Concaves, btw) with 28 or 32 spokes and light tires were pretty danged light. Not Lew light, but certainly lighter than Ksyriums.
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