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Old 09-13-12, 09:20 AM
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Someone really needs to buy this one. Not mine, and too small, but it's killin' me to see it sit. Vitus 979

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Someone really needs to buy this one. Not mine, and too small, but it's killin' me to see it sit. Vitus 979

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Uhmmm...Might you be mistaking this for a Vitus Carbone 3??

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Originally Posted by Cache View Post
Not eye candy yet, and I'll need lots of advice on how to bring this beauty back to life, and my garage doors are brown, so here's a brand new to me 60CM Exxon Graftek, original fork + seat post, and Super Special Thanks to the thread starter himself. Wanted one of these since the Cool Gear days.

Dropout marked 60 and the rear brake bridge has a 60 S plus a serial number. Would that S mean it was originally built w/ ShimaNO, hence the early DA rear? Lots of clear coat chipping, a little gouge of CF missing from downtube, and some chrome chipping from the BB Shell & brake bridge. And those stickers need to go. Still though, I'm thrilled to own it. I'm told John Howard rode this actual frame, so it must be true, right?
Wow! from the looks of it, that frame must have done a lot of miles! It's good as lots of people think that a C&V CF's frame's finish should easily outlive its joint integrity. This one seems to prove them wrong....I assume that you did closely inspect the joints on it already and found them good(?).

Decals for the frame is still available at eBay, so that should be your first thing to buy when you get started. As for the clearcoat, it's should be a Dupont Imron clear finish on that frame, so touching up/refinishing it might require a substitution (unless you have access to someone that will still do Imron) such as a polyurethane clear as suggested by our resident Graftek fan and expert, "exxongraftek". It's suppose to be what the frame designer told him to use for any chipped clearcoat touch-ups. the thing is, there's a lot of clearcoat loss on your frame at this point. Even sith the clearcoat loss, the frame should still be OK if the carbon filamets and any weave on them are not loos or damaged as its not the clearcoat holding them together, but the cured resin material impregnated into the CF.

Lots of Grafteks were built up with either first gen Campy NR grouppos or first and second gen Shimano DA groups. The seatposts were proprietary to the bikes though, Exxon used custom milled down (to 23.8mm dia.) 26.0mm Campy NR seatposts to fit the unusual ID sized seat tube on the frames. They even milled down the inside of the post to thin down the shaft and lighten it. No matter what you do, do not lose or damage the seatpost as it will not be easy to replace it.

You might want to consult further with CF frame repair experts like Calfee about your options on how to repair the finish (that is, if Calfee would even entertain any questions about a Graftek these days).

That frame is definitely worth saving/restoring if it did once belong to the fastest cyclist in the world originally!
Good luck and keep us posted on the progress of the resto....

BTW, If you have any technical questions about the Graftek and how to restore them. CF member "exxongraftek" had always been helpful to me. You can try and contact him with a PM from his site.

Here's a link to my own thread on my restoration project for my Line Seeker CF bike which was the pre-cursor of the Graftek, for your reference You might find more useful information in it to help you out on your restoration.:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ght=lineseeker

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Old 09-13-12, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
Uhmmm...Might you be mistaking this for a Vitus Carbone 3??

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Chombi, thx for the info which I've already read 10 times before even receiving this frame. And my best friend owns a body shop and can paint w/ Imron two part clear, but may not be worth the aggravation since I'll have to remove all the old finish first. If anyone has suggestions on that endeavor, I'm all ears. FWIW, the decals will be the *last* thing I purchase. This one definitely wasn't a carpet queen, but the joints all look tight and the lugs are all intact. The seat stays are ridiculous on this thing. I'll start a thread when I've gathered enough parts and begin in earnest on a resto. But don't hold your breath, I have my hands full w/ too much real life drama to fully concentrate on it, but it should make a nice winter project! Any other thoughts on what the 60 S on the brake bridge means??
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Old 09-13-12, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuckk View Post
Is it really just a paint problem? I've heard in the past that when the carbon tubes turn milky it means that you've had separation of the lamination.
I passed up an otherwise really nice Trek 2500 for that reason.
The clearcoat on most of these bikes tend to chip off where you see it in the pics (Imron is generally a tough finish but can be brittle if hit a certain way).

The area on the down tube right behind the head tube chips because of the hand activity (with rings, usually) when shifting and the clamp having sharp edges that digs into the finish and chips it off. The brake caliper also sometimes hits the down tube when the bike is parked, so we see similar damage to the pain as on most other bikes with sidepulls.. Some chipping can also be expected on the usual areas like the drive side chainstay because of obvious reasons.
The FD clamp can also cause clearcoat damage if the clamp has sharp edges that are not filled smooth before installation. Same with the top tube cable guides.

What most people don't realize too is that the tubes on the Graftek and Line Seeker frames are actually very thin gauge aluminum tubes, wrapped in CF. So there's a lot more holding the CF portion of the tubes together than the top layers of finish on the frame, unlike "pure" CF bikes. As long as the CF material is sound on the chipped areas, I would not worry too much about it, but it will still be best to re finish those areas to protect them from any possible damage later.
Most of the issues surrounding the Grafteks were really more about the bond in the lugs for the frame tubes and not the tubes themselves.

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Old 11-08-12, 09:22 PM
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Here's one for the masses-

Picked this up today, haven't had any time to clean it up, I'm pretty sure I know what it is, but let's give C & V a little test.

















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Old 11-09-12, 02:34 AM
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Nope.
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Nope.
ah guess its a basso (i saw the other thread )
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Very similar frame to my 1996 Kestrel 200 EMS, but earlier because of the downtube shifters. Possibly from Aegis. Here is a cool story about Aegis and how they split apart and a few people created Kestrel.

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Speaking of 1996 Kestrel's, my latest tinkering toy....
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Old 11-09-12, 11:46 PM
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Old 11-09-12, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Elev12k View Post
This is my LOOK KG66 with Campagnolo Chorus Syncro II

The internet doesn't seem to be very generous with information on the KG66 model. Dito for most early LOOK's. Can anybody tell more on the KG66?

What do you like to know. I raced a brand new look 171. It was a fantastic riding frame. I miss it a lot.
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Originally Posted by Fred Smedley View Post
" it was the first frame to use variable-thickness carbon tubes."

Perhaps for a lugged carbon frame, the Kestral above you was already there in 1989. I can't argue about "classic lines" , but some would argue that a monocoque frame can should ride better do to a inherent engineering advantage of not having he carbon interrupted.

Not true at all. There's a certain amount of snap in those Look carbon frames that I really like. Almost steel like off the saddle (a little noodle soft too, but I like it like that). My trek OCLV of the same era rode like a stiff dead rock. No snapping feel to it.
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Originally Posted by wearyourtruth View Post
well i'm just going off of second-hand information. but i assumed they were referring to the thickness of the tubes, i.e. like "butted" carbon, not the tube diameter. is that your understanding as well? i mean yeah monocoque frames were being made for over a decade earlier (by look and others).

and monocoque frames may ride better, obviously all the pros ride them, but i'm not a pro, and i can't ride what (in my opinion) is an ugly bike, lol.
Soft, noodle, coming apart, and all the good stuff but Laurent Jalabert was putting the hurt on the other top name pros through out the entire season on the previous gen. Look frame, the KG 171. I don't actually have a pic of mine.
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Originally Posted by wearyourtruth View Post
i love this thread. i've had a soft spot for carbon frames with classic lines (not a huge fan of monocoque frames) for a while now.

my Look KG281. i got it at a swap meet with busted cable guides, so i just set it up as a single speed and love it.
the KG281 came out in 1999, winning "bike of the year" in france. it was the first frame to use variable-thickness carbon tubes.

What a beauty. The right color too. It has to be yellow or off white just like the team's.
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LOOK KG86, Bernard Hinault Edition

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This is a Miyata CT 3000 I picked up off a eBay for $200. Added some new Michelin Pro 4 tires that match the decals. My first piece of carbon...even it is just the main tubes, and they are only wrapped in carbon. Still, an attractive and fun bike to ride. I pass most Freds in Central Park on this thing with sneakers on.

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Absolutely stunning...
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Absolutely stunning...
I'd like it better if it were in my garage, but it's a stunner.
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I know that opposites attract, but.......Please tell the cinder block wall to stop kissing that very pretty and smooth looking Berthoud saddle.....Please.....

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By the way....i believe at this point the carbon fiber bike that has the most tdf victories is the TVT from the 80s and 90s lemond and indurain count for about 5victories on TVTs by themselves and now that armstrong is erased with his treks the TVTs are now the kings of the tour
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So what is this thing? Its killing me.
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It's the invisible model for sure....
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