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What model Miele do I have?
Sorry no pics yet!
Craigslist provided a nice Miele- I'd love to find out what actual model this thing is... details: lugged road frame, bright red, right chainstay chromed serial number on headtube 4E07466, no number on BB Suntour Pro dropouts SR seatpost and Sugino Aero Mighty cranks date to late '83 and early '84 decals- downtube "Columbus Acciaio Speciale" (no other type info) forks "Columbus Forcella Originale" large "Miele" with Italian flag on down tube, "Miele" and "cicli" on seat tube headset is a Tange Ritzy- probably not original? gruppo & brakes are obviously-not-original Shimano 600 Any ideas anyone? Is T-Mar still around? thanks for any help! |
Photos?
T-Mar will be back in the morning :) . East Hill |
Pending photos, my best guess would be an Elite.
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I tried desperately to get that one before it was snatched up. I've had no luck lately being quick enough on the draw with craigslist sellers. It was a beautiful bike, i'm glad it went to a forum member at least.
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OK, here's the pics- Purevl, I'm a definite craigslist-listing loser, so I figure this one was meant for me :). Pre clean-up...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikepoole/2340706185/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikepoole/2341539988/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikepoole/2340706377/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikepoole/2340706279/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikepoole/2340744883/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikepoole/2341579210/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikepoole/2340745039/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikepoole/2340744931/ |
Dang, links not working- I'll fix ASAP
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Beautiful bike. Is this the same miele that makes vacuums, refrigerators, etc.?
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Originally Posted by tricky
(Post 6361847)
Beautiful bike. Is this the same miele that makes vacuums, refrigerators, etc.?
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The best candidate would appear to be a 1984 Miele Elite, though I have no literature for that year. While I cannot provide a definitve statement, the serial number is a standard format and suggests a 1984 model (and likely either from weeks 9-10 or May), while the cables routed over the bottom bracket also indicate pre-1986. Some of the components also suggest 1984, but their level is not typical for a Columbus SL frame and their are probably non-original. Furthermore, the dropouts suggest it was likely originally SunTour equipped and slightly later, mid-1980s versions of the Elite were indeed SunTour equipped.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 6379666)
probably non-original.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 6379666)
The best candidate would appear to be a 1984 Miele Elite, though I have no literature for that year. While I cannot provide a definitve statement, the serial number is a standard format and suggests a 1984 model (and likely either from weeks 9-10 or May), while the cables routed over the bottom bracket also indicate pre-1986. Some of the components also suggest 1984, but their level is not typical for a Columbus SL frame and their are probably non-original. Furthermore, the dropouts suggest it was likely originally SunTour equipped and slightly later, mid-1980s versions of the Elite were indeed SunTour equipped.
Where was the Elite in the Miele lineup? When you mention the component level isn't typical for an SL frame, you mean too low? I suspect the owner at the time was all excited about that new-fangled indexing... |
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 6379666)
The best candidate would appear to be a 1984 Miele Elite, though I have no literature for that year. While I cannot provide a definitve statement, the serial number is a standard format and suggests a 1984 model (and likely either from weeks 9-10 or May), while the cables routed over the bottom bracket also indicate pre-1986. Some of the components also suggest 1984, but their level is not typical for a Columbus SL frame and their are probably non-original. Furthermore, the dropouts suggest it was likely originally SunTour equipped and slightly later, mid-1980s versions of the Elite were indeed SunTour equipped.
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Originally Posted by mikepoole
(Post 6384161)
Thanks, that really helps- I knew the ders/brakes weren't original since they were too new...
Where was the Elite in the Miele lineup? When you mention the component level isn't typical for an SL frame, you mean too low? I suspect the owner at the time was all excited about that new-fangled indexing... As I stated previously, I do not have any 1984 literature and cannot provide a definitive answer. However, Miele typically offered their high end frames with both a Japanese and Italian component group, to cater to both market segments. Given the era, the Italian equipped frame would probably have been the Camapgnolo Super Record group, which would have been above the Elite. There is also the possibility that they may have offered an SLX frames, as 1984 was the first year for that tubeset. As a result, the 1984 Elite was probably either 2nd or 4th in the lineup. |
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 6387143)
Actually, 600 Ultregra would not be too low for an SL frame but these components are no older than 1988 and are obvious replacements, probably for the indexing update, as you suggest. My comment was aimed more at the crankset and post which had ages appropriate to the frame.
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 6387143)
[...]However, Miele typically offered their high end frames with both a Japanese and Italian component group, to cater to both market segments.
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 6387143)
Given the era, the Italian equipped frame would probably have been the Camapgnolo Super Record group, which would have been above the Elite. There is also the possibility that they may have offered an SLX frames, as 1984 was the first year for that tubeset. As a result, the 1984 Elite was probably either 2nd or 4th in the lineup.
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Originally Posted by mikepoole
(Post 6387485)
Ok- I see. I didn't mention it before but thought it odd that the left and right cranks are dated several months apart...
If the crankset is intended for a large volume bicycle manufacturer, they would typically be shipped in separate, large cartons for the left arm, right arm and bottom bracket. Individual cartons for mated cranksets are an extra cost, as is the time to pack the parts in a separate box. At the bicycle manufacturer's end, the time cost is doubled by having to unpack the mated crankset and separate the parts, as the person who assembles the bottom bracket may not install the crankarms and there may be even different people for the left and right crankarms. It's most efficient, and therefore cost effective, to keep the parts separate from manufacturing, straight through to the assembly operation. The bottom line is that both crankarms are not necessarily produced at the same time and immediately paired. There are lots of opportunities for one of the parts to experience delays before it gets paired with its mate and assembled onto a frame. |
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