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Old 05-08-08, 11:35 AM
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Info needed on Tommasini track bike.

Hi Everyone,

A new project! Hopefully this ebay-find Tommasini Track bike frame will be in the mail today. Looking pretty crusty, eh?

Well, hopefully that bottom bracket rust doesn't prove to be catastrophic. I'll be enlisting the help of a friend to patch the holes in the rear brake bridge (no bondo! I promise!,) and possibly patching up the missing paint and riding it pretty much as-is if the rust turns out to be bad, or possibly getting it powdercoated green, or even chromed if the rust isn't as awful as it appears to be.

I'm posting because I was curious if anyone has any information on Tommasini track bikes, or possibly this model in particular. How old is it? I looked at www.bulgier.net, but their Tommasini catalog scan didn't have any track frames. I'd appreciate any information or opinions. Is this secretly a re-decaled Magna? I'd like to know!

Here is what the seller had to say:

53cm Tommasini Track frame.
54.5 c-c Top tube
Columbus Tretubi Tubing, that is Three tubes of the main triangle are Columbus SL.
This frame has obvious signs of oxidation, but has the potential to be restored to its original splendor.
The brake bridge has been drilled in two directions for some strange reason, but does not affect the frames integrity.

And here are some photos:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/willkrause/2475755985
https://www.flickr.com/photos/willkrause/2476572128
https://www.flickr.com/photos/willkrause/2475756017
https://www.flickr.com/photos/willkrause/2476572128

Thanks again for your time,
-Will
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Old 05-09-08, 08:38 AM
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That bottom bracket does look a mess, doesn't it?

Let's see if we can get the experts to chime in here .

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Whoa yeah. the BB is a rusty mess. Hopefully it will clean up allright after the flaking paint is cleaned away. At least it is on the bottom of the bike where no one will see it... unless I become inverted, in which case I'll have more pressing concerns.

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What are the indicators that make you think this is a fake?
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About 800 pages of previous threads, including posts by Tommasini USA.

EDIT: Not the frame I was expecting it to be. Looks kosher from here.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. I figured that it was uglied up in a way that took quite a bit of ham-fisted effort, but wasn't increasing its value, so I was hopeful that it wasn't a fake. Maybe the previous owner thought there would be chromed headtube lugs under the paint?

Does anyone know where I can find some catalog scans or other info on old Tommasini track bikes without wading into the whole "Tommasini gorilla battle" saga?

Anyone know of sources for pictures of frames or bikes like mine, that I could use as reference for when I try and pretty it up? Google image search wasn't too fruitful.
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i think that then just as now tommasini track frames are not different from road frames but ordered with track geometry and track ends... tommasini was and still is a small operation...

i'm still waiting for (detailed photos? or) an answer as to what made people think this is a fake, because i can't quite see much on these small photos. except the thing is rusted past the point i'd care to wonder if it can be restored and ridden safely.
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what do authentic tommasini rust deposits look like? really, i'm serious!

ps: if you said lugs, no cutout in the bb, etc then it woul dmake sense to me. and indeed i hadn't looked at all the photos until now, no "T" cutout in the bb. so fake. sorry op.
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I'm curious why someone would go through the trouble to fake a frame like this. I bought it for less than what a plain, unlabeled frame would cost -150. And whoever did the faking would have to get decals, and then spend all of the time scuffing and rusting the frame. Why wouldn't the seller just keep the frame plain, spend less effort, and make more money?
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Originally Posted by williamkrause View Post
II bought it for less than what a plain, unlabeled frame would cost -150.
you mean that you paid $150, that a plain frame would cost $150, or that you paid $150 less than what a plain unlabeled frame would cost?
i don't get it.
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Oh, I mean that I paid 150, which is less than what a simple track frame without a fancy name would cost. So why would someone go through the trouble of faking a frame, and then sell it for not too much money?

My best guess now is that it's either a low-end Tommasini without a fancy BB cutout, or it was faked a long time ago, and then treated poorly. (that rust looks pretty genuine to me... I like crappy old hatchbacks, so I have plenty of experience with rust.)

Either way, as long as the rust doesn't make it unrideable it's getting a new coat of paint. If it's a Tommasini I'll put on some nice decals, and if it isn't I'll leave it unbranded. Or I'll get a set of cheap decals on ebay for whichever company has the funniest name.
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Originally Posted by williamkrause View Post
Oh, I mean that I paid 150, which is less than what a simple track frame without a fancy name would cost. So why would someone go through the trouble of faking a frame, and then sell it for not too much money?
well, you said it: to sell it for too much money

and there are no "low-end tommasini". without the lugs it is not a tommasini.

i hope for you it's safe to ride and worth restoring...
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Originally Posted by paulv View Post
what do authentic tommasini rust deposits look like? really, i'm serious!

ps: if you said lugs, no cutout in the bb, etc then it woul dmake sense to me. and indeed i hadn't looked at all the photos until now, no "T" cutout in the bb. so fake. sorry op.
ya my tommasini has a T cut out in the BB + the lugs have the T in them.
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from the crappy pics you can see that the fork may have the "T", the fact that the lugs on the headtube aren't chromed now means nada, chrome is not a god, and i bet Tommasini wasn't born with a "T" cut out of his ass, which could mean that an older frame doesn't necessarily have that feature. All the older Tommasini I seen had not so much the "T" in every single lug but a mark more reminiscent of a club suit

ask these vintage guys, the in the fixed gear place just like to trash **** that they don't know about outta fear usually, imagine high school when visiting there

might not be a fake, probably isn't, while there are fakes around the real deal outnumbers them usually, and that frame is still only worth $150 if real
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I found these pictures of a Tommasini online, with similar lugs and seatstay endcaps:
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita..._blue_bike.htm

I guess they aren't all chromed, pantographed, and coated with wild paint schemes. The description says that this is a late 70's model, so maybe Tommasini didn't unload the spangles and glitz until later in the 80's?

I contacted the seller again, and he says that the bike was ordered through Ochsner Imports in 1985 or so, when he owned a bike store in Connecticut.

The frame should be arriving in the mail this Monday or Tuesday, so I'll post some photos... even if they're terrifying. And I'll start a thread more focused on the restoration of this bike, and less on the authenticity. Maybe if everyone thinks it's a fake I won't get any guff for stripping off the finish and refinishing it, like the thread about the restoration of the ex-white half-powdercoated Tommasini on this forum? I've always wanted a green bike.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who posted their opinion about the frame's authenticity. I'd still be interested in hearing about Tommasini track frames in general, since that information seems hard to come by. Anyone else out there have one?

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post some better pics when you got the frame, im not sure if it is fake at all. it might just be old.


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Originally Posted by was? View Post
post some better pics when you got the frame, im not sure if it is fake at all. it might just be old.

Thanks for posting the pictures of older Tommasinis! It's kinds hard to find images of their bikes made before the mid 1980's.

Hopefully my frame will arrive tomorrow, and I'll take a long lunch and snap some photos.

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