Newbie needs help identifying a Peugeot ...
05-09-08, 11:38 PM
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Newbie needs help identifying a Peugeot ...
Hello all,
I am brand new to this forum and also re-entering the bicycle world after a drop-out of about 25 years!
I was given a Peugeot bicycle about a year ago, and am finally going to fix 'er up and start riding again. I would like to know what model it is, and get any suggestions for improvements, quirks and other things I should know about this bike.
Here is what I know so far ...
It seems to be a 1983 model, it is black with PEUGEOT on the down tube and a checker board there as well. The top tube has the yellow to red chevron, while the seat tube has the same chevron with the lion decal. The lion decal is on the head tube (is that the right term?) as well. The lions are the simple outline style.
I think the shifters and rear derailler are Simplex, the wheel hubs are Helicomatic, the rims are Rigida 700c, with Michelin tires (marked 700 x 20C). It is a 12 speed model but has been upgraded to 18 speeds.
Don't know about the brakes.
The frame is a 3 tube 501 Chomalloy-M with external lugs, and the front fork is also 501 Chromalloy-M and is all chromed.
The serial number is B (i think can't tell very well) 3112418.
If anyone has any info on this model, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
Patrick
I am brand new to this forum and also re-entering the bicycle world after a drop-out of about 25 years!
I was given a Peugeot bicycle about a year ago, and am finally going to fix 'er up and start riding again. I would like to know what model it is, and get any suggestions for improvements, quirks and other things I should know about this bike.
Here is what I know so far ...
It seems to be a 1983 model, it is black with PEUGEOT on the down tube and a checker board there as well. The top tube has the yellow to red chevron, while the seat tube has the same chevron with the lion decal. The lion decal is on the head tube (is that the right term?) as well. The lions are the simple outline style.
I think the shifters and rear derailler are Simplex, the wheel hubs are Helicomatic, the rims are Rigida 700c, with Michelin tires (marked 700 x 20C). It is a 12 speed model but has been upgraded to 18 speeds.
Don't know about the brakes.
The frame is a 3 tube 501 Chomalloy-M with external lugs, and the front fork is also 501 Chromalloy-M and is all chromed.
The serial number is B (i think can't tell very well) 3112418.
If anyone has any info on this model, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
Patrick
05-10-08, 01:44 AM
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Never mind ...
Ok, after a little more research, I have found what I believe to be the answer ...
It is a 1984 model (even though the frame is a 83 serial number) PGN 10 spec'd at 23.9 lbs.
It is in pretty decent shape, but needs a lot of TLC as far as cleaning up. Does anyone have any suggestions for cleaning/polishing the alloy rims. They are very oxidized. Everything else looks pretty easy to spiffy up. I would like to find a source for the rubber/vinyl?? brake lever covers, and possibly a replacement for the shifter cable bushing thingy on the BB.
Once again thanks!
Patrick
It is a 1984 model (even though the frame is a 83 serial number) PGN 10 spec'd at 23.9 lbs.
It is in pretty decent shape, but needs a lot of TLC as far as cleaning up. Does anyone have any suggestions for cleaning/polishing the alloy rims. They are very oxidized. Everything else looks pretty easy to spiffy up. I would like to find a source for the rubber/vinyl?? brake lever covers, and possibly a replacement for the shifter cable bushing thingy on the BB.
Once again thanks!
Patrick
05-10-08, 02:29 PM
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Patrick,
Whats the serial number?
Use any of the aluminum polishes from your local auto parts store like Mothers etc. Perhaps your lack of automotive knowledge is a contributing factor to recent middle of the field grid positions.
Ross Braun
Whats the serial number?
Use any of the aluminum polishes from your local auto parts store like Mothers etc. Perhaps your lack of automotive knowledge is a contributing factor to recent middle of the field grid positions.
Ross Braun
05-10-08, 04:42 PM
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Welcome to the forum! Peugeot's have a special place in my heart. Some of the nicest bikes I've built/ridden have been Peugeots.
Whether you want to spend lots of time depends on what you intend to do with the bike. if you're going to sell it as vintage or a collectible, you want to keep it all together. but if you're fixing it up to ride reliably, check the frame first. An alloy steel frame is always a safe bet - so long as it doesn't have internal rusting. Take a small wrench, and LIGHTLY tap each tube in 3 or 4 places. You should hear a ring like a bell. If you hear a thud, beware - there might be a rusty plug there. take it apart and thoroughly clean it before further repair.
Rigida made good rims, but I'd ditch the Simplex derailleurs. Kinda clunky operation, and I never trusted their plastic-type of construction - they like to crack and break. Try finding some Sachs-Huret deraillers. Ebay usually has some for sale. The later, high end versions were index shifting (if you are into that), but they made several different models.
Cleaning alloy rims? Depends on extent and type of corrosion, but it ain't easy no matter how you slice it. Don't try chrome cleaner - the chemicals are not meant for aluminum. My half way solution - toothpaste (no laughing!) The ultrafine grit in most toothpastes will clean minor imperfections. And if it doesn't, nothing lost.
Hope this helps!
Whether you want to spend lots of time depends on what you intend to do with the bike. if you're going to sell it as vintage or a collectible, you want to keep it all together. but if you're fixing it up to ride reliably, check the frame first. An alloy steel frame is always a safe bet - so long as it doesn't have internal rusting. Take a small wrench, and LIGHTLY tap each tube in 3 or 4 places. You should hear a ring like a bell. If you hear a thud, beware - there might be a rusty plug there. take it apart and thoroughly clean it before further repair.
Rigida made good rims, but I'd ditch the Simplex derailleurs. Kinda clunky operation, and I never trusted their plastic-type of construction - they like to crack and break. Try finding some Sachs-Huret deraillers. Ebay usually has some for sale. The later, high end versions were index shifting (if you are into that), but they made several different models.
Cleaning alloy rims? Depends on extent and type of corrosion, but it ain't easy no matter how you slice it. Don't try chrome cleaner - the chemicals are not meant for aluminum. My half way solution - toothpaste (no laughing!) The ultrafine grit in most toothpastes will clean minor imperfections. And if it doesn't, nothing lost.
Hope this helps!
05-10-08, 09:21 PM
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Thanks! BikeMeister.
After doing a lot of "fine tooth combing" today, I have found some of the issues you mentioned. Both the idler gears in the rear derailler are shot. Also, although I really like the rims, as I was removing the tire on the rear wheel, I noticed that the rim was bent in several places. Looks like normal road hazard stuff, but when pulling the tire over the rim BY HAND one of the bent spots that was pinched in toward the inside of the rim, popped outward, and developed a crack, SO, I am convinced that I need new rims.
I am fixing this beauty up for a commuter, so it doesn't have to be completely original, but I will save all the parts, so if I ever sell it, it will at least come with all the original parts.
Any suggestions for replacement rims. I have been scanning the net, haven't come up with anything that really floats my boat. I would like the profile to be more or less original, but that is not an absolute requirement. Also, as always, cost is a factor. Not so much that I can't spring for $100+ per rim prices, I just don't think that makes much sense, since I am not and never will be into racing ...
What is your opinion of Shimano deraillers, at least the older ones. I once owned a Schwinn LeTour III and absolutely loved the shifting on that bike. Of course, at that time in my life (teenager) I had endless time to keep everything in tip-top shape.
Thanks again!
Patrick
After doing a lot of "fine tooth combing" today, I have found some of the issues you mentioned. Both the idler gears in the rear derailler are shot. Also, although I really like the rims, as I was removing the tire on the rear wheel, I noticed that the rim was bent in several places. Looks like normal road hazard stuff, but when pulling the tire over the rim BY HAND one of the bent spots that was pinched in toward the inside of the rim, popped outward, and developed a crack, SO, I am convinced that I need new rims.
I am fixing this beauty up for a commuter, so it doesn't have to be completely original, but I will save all the parts, so if I ever sell it, it will at least come with all the original parts.
Any suggestions for replacement rims. I have been scanning the net, haven't come up with anything that really floats my boat. I would like the profile to be more or less original, but that is not an absolute requirement. Also, as always, cost is a factor. Not so much that I can't spring for $100+ per rim prices, I just don't think that makes much sense, since I am not and never will be into racing ...
What is your opinion of Shimano deraillers, at least the older ones. I once owned a Schwinn LeTour III and absolutely loved the shifting on that bike. Of course, at that time in my life (teenager) I had endless time to keep everything in tip-top shape.
Thanks again!
Patrick
05-10-08, 09:27 PM
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Ross,
It took me three reads of your reply to get the automobile reference. Then, of course, I about fell out of my chair laughing! Yes, I am an AVID auto racing fan, and my name really is Patrick Head, but not THAT one! MUCH younger, even more poor, and no where near as important nor famous ...
Thanks for the tip on the aluminum polish. I will try it on the other aluminum parts, but as I replied to bikemeister, I am going to replace the rims as they are quite beat up, and one of them has a crack right at the sidewall where the bead seats.
Thanks again!
Patrick
It took me three reads of your reply to get the automobile reference. Then, of course, I about fell out of my chair laughing! Yes, I am an AVID auto racing fan, and my name really is Patrick Head, but not THAT one! MUCH younger, even more poor, and no where near as important nor famous ...
Thanks for the tip on the aluminum polish. I will try it on the other aluminum parts, but as I replied to bikemeister, I am going to replace the rims as they are quite beat up, and one of them has a crack right at the sidewall where the bead seats.
Thanks again!
Patrick
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Patrick,
I was hoping you'd get the joke!!! If you have the Simplex derailleurs I'm thinking of they are excellent derailleurs. Look at the back of the rear derailleur, does it say 'Super LJ'? If so its an excellent mechanism. As noted by bikemeister, if they are the plastic version, your SX610 may have plastic link on the back, you may want tolook for something different.
Definitely replace the rims!!!
Jim
I was hoping you'd get the joke!!! If you have the Simplex derailleurs I'm thinking of they are excellent derailleurs. Look at the back of the rear derailleur, does it say 'Super LJ'? If so its an excellent mechanism. As noted by bikemeister, if they are the plastic version, your SX610 may have plastic link on the back, you may want tolook for something different.
Definitely replace the rims!!!
Jim
