So by your logic, if someone starts firing off a gun trying to kill you but misses, no harm no foul?

I have seperate budgets because I dont play the $1 for the item and $199 for shipping game. Ebay allows sellers to operate globaly for pennies. If Ebay didnt exist sellers would only have thier local newspaper and the occasional garage sale to move their goods. Ebay is providing a service, pay for it.

As far as the shipping goes...if I pay X dollars for a product and it gets to my house in the condition it was advertised as I wouldnt care how it got to my house.....pony express, UPS, bike messenger, padding, no padding, whatever.

:wtf:

I paid $85 for shipping. For that one should expect a decent packaging job. I didn't expect it to be wrapped in goose down pillows and given a first class ticket on Lufthansa, but I think some level of common sense should apply as well.

IAB - Breathe deeply...relax. Ok, I agree with you that one should expect what is advertised and nothing more. However, it should be the responsibility of the seller to make sure that the buyer gets what they paid for, Yes? If they can't to do that (other than by blind luck) then they should not agree to ship the item at all. Also, what is wrong with honest feedback? Isn't that what it's there for? To educate other potential buyers? FWIW, I left neutral feedback in this case, simply stating how the frame was packed, because this seller advertises that they ship worldwide. To me it seemed appropriate.

If you disagree, fair enough, ride on brother :). I forgot I posted this as I have been busy trying to find the final parts I need to get it on the road.

PS. Build pics coming soon.

I still can't get over how well that beautiful frame survived overseas shipping in that poor packaging. You must live near the port of entry and our shipping goons didn't have much of a chance to work their 'magic' on it. :D

Neutral feedback was the right thing to do in this case. Now all new buyers will/should bug him to do a proper packaging job.

Looking forward to the build photos!

That is pretty much the way the painter sent my icredibly delicate coke-can scandium frame back after polishing and powdercoating it. Nah wait, he put he frame in a transparent plastic sleeve (giant size), then put it into the cardboard box. It arrived in imaculate condition.

My worst experience with bike packaging: I once had a classic (Rabeneick Campagnolo) sent to me, it was an ebay deal. it came practically as it was, apart from two pieces of cardboard on both sides. The sticky tape used to keep the two cardboard sheets together and on the bike were put over the top tube decals, which promptly came partly off at removal.

On the other hand, i once had an almost NOS KOF frame shipped from Chicago. The seller, whom i had met at the CR list, had done the best job ever to pack the bike. It had old axles between the dropouts, and every bit of the frame was covered by formed foam parts. It took me the better part of an hour to unpack, and must have taken the seller hours to pack it... :)

Martin

I look forward to the pics!

If it makes you feel any better, I had a set of early 50s/late 40s wheels set to me from France. The guy shipped them kind of like martl's bike, sandwiched between 2 pieces of cardboard. Except my guy used a stapler to secure the cardboard. It was about 4 feet square, the axles had protruded through the cardboard yet the wheels were in perfect condition, nearly NOS. I gave the seller positive feedback beause the wheels were perfect. I did say in the comments it was a crappy packaging job and the seller was lucky that is arrived in good condition.