pullup

I now have that site advertisment link as well, did't know about that site Nice stuff.
'Model Campagnolo' is (was) indeed the text on the toptube

In the mean time I did some reading in an earlier thread you started about the green Presto which had a lot of good info and the seatclamp treatment on this bike is a little bit different from what Serier did on that one so this one is possibly Legrand made ?.

The frame has 3 xxx under the BB and the serial number is 772362 which could indicate it was build in 1977.

I would be glad to learn of the adress of a good painter who has the right decals for the frame by the way

Elev12k

Okay, your frame has
- andreas crosses in shell
- staycaps with ridges?
- no Serier seatlug

pullup

Yup

Elev12k

How do the shiftcables run? Slotted under the bracket?

pullup

Yes they do, just simple grooves under the Bracket and there are little holes in the centre of every X.

Today I was just wondering if it would be possible to masque the decalpanels during sanding and painting and paint the rest of the frame. i actually like the way the panels look. or would they stick out to much against the new paint ?

Elev12k

Okay, that is a clear indication for a Chinese copy










No, that is not true

It sounds like a blend of details I know from both builders. I am leaning towards Serier though.

On the repaint: I would drop Freek/s70rguy a PM. Freek has had positive experiences with an address that refinished his Presto.

non-fixie 

It wouldn't be surprised. A couple of years ago I bought this "Champion Mondial":



I also have a "Concorde", a "Pinarello" and even a "Pinarello Colnago"!

non-fixie 

Actually I hadn't checked Bulgier's site yet. I was referring to this catalog page that was posted earlier by JunkYardBike:

non-fixie 

Very nice bike. And yes, they do. Your post, and the pics from those who replied to it, added to my determination to get me Professional. Thanks for that!

lotek 

You guys have been busy, here I take off for a few days and there's
2 1/2 new pages of posts here. I like it!

Pullup about the panels on your chinese copy of a taiwanese version
of a Presto I think a good painter could manage to mask off the panels
and repaint the rest of the frame. The only thing I could see that would
be a problem is how to remove the existing paint. When I repainted my
Trek, and a few other frames I helped with, all the paint stripping was done
chemically. I'm not sure how that would work on masked off area.
Are the panels one large decal? if so maybe it could be removed carefully
with heat and kept in a condition to replace them.

Speaking of repaints, here's another teaser of my latest Zieleman
which I'm going to start the repaint on this month.

It kills me that the previous owners dumb boyfriend filed off the serial number
and was working on the seatstay caps when he was stopped.
Mel, any word on when you're gonna visit Ko ?

Elev12k

Okay non-fixie. I would say that catalogue page is from ~1980.

Elev12k

A Professional like that white one, but 1 or 2 years earlier, is on ours largest classified site now btw. Sweet.

Elev12k

I am imprressed by the progress Marty, uhum, but good to hear you speed things up somewhat. Looking forward to the result!

lotek 

Part of the delay was waiting for the decals. we didn't want to
let the base coat cure too much before applying decals and clear coat.
Mel, it took me 20+ years to find my first Zieleman, I'm really in
no hurry to get this done, I can be very patient (and procrastinate!)

Marty

non-fixie 

Hmmm, looks like they really know their stuff at Batavus, eh?

non-fixie 

BTW, in comparing the 1980 and 1984 catalog pages, it looks like Aruba has changed in color in between. It does seem a shade darker in 1984.

Elev12k

Okay, they went wrong with this one ...but absolutely chapeau for that they took the effort to put the page on the scanner. Many other companies won't even answer your email

non-fixie 

You're right, we should be grateful for that. The lack of interest form the original builders never ceases to amaze me. With large companies I can sort of understand that, but I once took a bike to the original frame builder, who still runs a small bike shop, and his wife had to drag him from his workshop to admit that he had actually built that frame himself some 30 years ago. He wasn't the slightest bit interested in the bike and through the entire conversation he kept looking at me like I was from another dimension.

s70rguy

Thats a really horrible sadddle (or cover, even worse). But, completely period correct.

s70rguy

I'm pretty sure there's someone with a Cera (Cees Raas) over there on the other side of the big pond. Here's a matching shirt, it helps if you are big! (XXL)

https://link.marktplaats.nl/518540763

Marktplaats In the Netherlands, someone might assist with Dutch language.

Elev12k

Hmm... Enzo Ferrari also didn't like looking back on past models, so at least your builder is in good company.

non-fixie 

Cover? If only. No, it's an original Iscaselle "Fast Fashion"! Even the name makes me shiver.

s70rguy

Vittorio?

s70rguy

This is a 2-page leaflet from I believe 1984 (on the back it says 'Merken kampioen 1983', with picture of the Batavus amateur team).
I believe this is the exact same frame as non-fixie's batavus, apart from the chrome forks, which was an option as you can see. That blue colour is called 'transparant blauw'.

Elev12k

Interesting scan, Freek. Thanks for sharing.

On post #424: Yes, the white bike is a Vittorio Strada. Did over 100km on it two days ago. Great bike.