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Old 01-09-12, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Elev12k
Very nice pullup

Looks like a Serier built Presto to me. On the toptube it says 'Model Campagnolo' I think?

I think I know where you got it from. It is even still advertised.

If after a cleaning turns out the entire frame would benefit from a full repaint, than Freek has probably a good address for you. These are nice frames. Worth a lot effort and love. Great project!
I now have that site advertisment link as well, did't know about that site Nice stuff.
'Model Campagnolo' is (was) indeed the text on the toptube

In the mean time I did some reading in an earlier thread you started about the green Presto which had a lot of good info and the seatclamp treatment on this bike is a little bit different from what Serier did on that one so this one is possibly Legrand made ?.

The frame has 3 xxx under the BB and the serial number is 772362 which could indicate it was build in 1977.

I would be glad to learn of the adress of a good painter who has the right decals for the frame by the way
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Okay, your frame has
- andreas crosses in shell
- staycaps with ridges?
- no Serier seatlug
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Yup
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How do the shiftcables run? Slotted under the bracket?
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Old 01-09-12, 10:21 AM
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Yes they do, just simple grooves under the Bracket and there are little holes in the centre of every X.

Today I was just wondering if it would be possible to masque the decalpanels during sanding and painting and paint the rest of the frame. i actually like the way the panels look. or would they stick out to much against the new paint ?
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Originally Posted by pullup
Yes they do, just simple grooves under the Bracket and there are little holes in the centre of every X.
Okay, that is a clear indication for a Chinese copy










No, that is not true

It sounds like a blend of details I know from both builders. I am leaning towards Serier though.

On the repaint: I would drop Freek/s70rguy a PM. Freek has had positive experiences with an address that refinished his Presto.
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Old 01-09-12, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Elev12k
Maybe it is fake?
It wouldn't be surprised. A couple of years ago I bought this "Champion Mondial":



I also have a "Concorde", a "Pinarello" and even a "Pinarello Colnago"!
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Originally Posted by Elev12k
If you're refering to the Batavus catalogue on the bulgier site: I think it is a year older. It mentions "members of 1983 BATAVUS team will be...".
Actually I hadn't checked Bulgier's site yet. I was referring to this catalog page that was posted earlier by JunkYardBike:

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Originally Posted by thebaint
Interesting, non-fixie. Our bikes appear to be the same color/year. Mine's a 58cm. I'll have to check my serial (haven't even looked for it yet) to compare. I wish I knew the history of mine, including how it came from the Netherlands to the USA.
Very nice bike. And yes, they do. Your post, and the pics from those who replied to it, added to my determination to get me Professional. Thanks for that!
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You guys have been busy, here I take off for a few days and there's
2 1/2 new pages of posts here. I like it!

Pullup about the panels on your chinese copy of a taiwanese version
of a Presto I think a good painter could manage to mask off the panels
and repaint the rest of the frame. The only thing I could see that would
be a problem is how to remove the existing paint. When I repainted my
Trek, and a few other frames I helped with, all the paint stripping was done
chemically. I'm not sure how that would work on masked off area.
Are the panels one large decal? if so maybe it could be removed carefully
with heat and kept in a condition to replace them.

Speaking of repaints, here's another teaser of my latest Zieleman
which I'm going to start the repaint on this month.

It kills me that the previous owners dumb boyfriend filed off the serial number
and was working on the seatstay caps when he was stopped.
Mel, any word on when you're gonna visit Ko ?
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Okay non-fixie. I would say that catalogue page is from ~1980.
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A Professional like that white one, but 1 or 2 years earlier, is on ours largest classified site now btw. Sweet.
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I am imprressed by the progress Marty, uhum, but good to hear you speed things up somewhat. Looking forward to the result!
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Part of the delay was waiting for the decals. we didn't want to
let the base coat cure too much before applying decals and clear coat.
Mel, it took me 20+ years to find my first Zieleman, I'm really in
no hurry to get this done, I can be very patient (and procrastinate!)

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Originally Posted by Elev12k
Okay non-fixie. I would say that catalogue page is from ~1980.
Hmmm, looks like they really know their stuff at Batavus, eh?
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BTW, in comparing the 1980 and 1984 catalog pages, it looks like Aruba has changed in color in between. It does seem a shade darker in 1984.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
Hmmm, looks like they really know their stuff at Batavus, eh?
Okay, they went wrong with this one ...but absolutely chapeau for that they took the effort to put the page on the scanner. Many other companies won't even answer your email
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Originally Posted by Elev12k
Okay, they went wrong with this one ...but absolutely chapeau for that they took the effort to put the page on the scanner. Many other companies won't even answer your email
You're right, we should be grateful for that. The lack of interest form the original builders never ceases to amaze me. With large companies I can sort of understand that, but I once took a bike to the original frame builder, who still runs a small bike shop, and his wife had to drag him from his workshop to admit that he had actually built that frame himself some 30 years ago. He wasn't the slightest bit interested in the bike and through the entire conversation he kept looking at me like I was from another dimension.
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Originally Posted by pullup
Thats a really horrible sadddle (or cover, even worse). But, completely period correct.
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I'm pretty sure there's someone with a Cera (Cees Raas) over there on the other side of the big pond. Here's a matching shirt, it helps if you are big! (XXL)

https://link.marktplaats.nl/518540763

Marktplaats In the Netherlands, someone might assist with Dutch language.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
You're right, we should be grateful for that. The lack of interest form the original builders never ceases to amaze me. With large companies I can sort of understand that, but I once took a bike to the original frame builder, who still runs a small bike shop, and his wife had to drag him from his workshop to admit that he had actually built that frame himself some 30 years ago. He wasn't the slightest bit interested in the bike and through the entire conversation he kept looking at me like I was from another dimension.
Hmm... Enzo Ferrari also didn't like looking back on past models, so at least your builder is in good company.
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Thats a really horrible sadddle (or cover, even worse). But, completely period correct.
Cover? If only. No, it's an original Iscaselle "Fast Fashion"! Even the name makes me shiver.
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Vittorio?
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
I've been on the lookout for a Batavus Professional for quite a while now, and suddenly this one appeared in the classifieds. Not only the right size, but also my favorite color: Aruba blue. It needs some attention but the overall condition seems to be pretty good. Most of the Dura-Ace stuff is still there.
This is a 2-page leaflet from I believe 1984 (on the back it says 'Merken kampioen 1983', with picture of the Batavus amateur team).
I believe this is the exact same frame as non-fixie's batavus, apart from the chrome forks, which was an option as you can see. That blue colour is called 'transparant blauw'.

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Interesting scan, Freek. Thanks for sharing.

On post #424: Yes, the white bike is a Vittorio Strada. Did over 100km on it two days ago. Great bike.
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