The Dutch invasion (or show us your DUTCH bikes)
05-11-10, 11:31 AM
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The ensemble is from around 1985 
The frame is finished in team paint and the jersey is team gear.
Slightly earlier example shown on the cover of this catalogue (Source: Bulgier) >>
The frame is finished in team paint and the jersey is team gear.Slightly earlier example shown on the cover of this catalogue (Source: Bulgier) >>
05-11-10, 11:50 AM
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That's an incredible picture.
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05-18-10, 11:59 PM
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From 1984. I bought the frame and built up the bike from parts I had or just boughtbatavus 001..jpgbatavus 002..jpgbatavus 005..jpgbatavus 006..jpgbatavus 007..jpgbatavus 003..jpgbatavus 004..jpg
Funny thing was that it came with Campy dropouts and dura ace shifter bosses. I had to modify my levers by drilling a hole and adding a pin stop to the inside of each lever.
Funny thing was that it came with Campy dropouts and dura ace shifter bosses. I had to modify my levers by drilling a hole and adding a pin stop to the inside of each lever.
05-19-10, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Elev12k
The ensemble is from around 1985 The frame is finished in team paint and the jersey is team gear.
Slightly earlier example shown on the cover of this catalogue (Source: Bulgier) >>
The frame is finished in team paint and the jersey is team gear.Slightly earlier example shown on the cover of this catalogue (Source: Bulgier) >>
Geert Schipper was part of the team that won the gold medal in the 1982 world Championships, 100 km team time trial. Other team members: Gerrit Solleveld, Maarten Ducrot, Frits van Bindsbergen.
Schipper was late to rise to the top so to speak, he was 34 when achieving that medal. He was a very good time trialist, a real 'hardrijder'. He always stayed amateur, while the others became pros.
Possibly the pic from Elev12k is from c. 1982 as well.
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05-21-10, 06:40 AM
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CERA by Cees Raas. Only one I have seen or heard of. Its a beauty in pearlescent white/gold.
Found it on ebay and was the only bidder.
Found it on ebay and was the only bidder.
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05-21-10, 01:47 PM
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I have never heard of Cera bikes, it looks nice.
05-21-10, 02:13 PM
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Info that I have found is that Cees Raas is Jan Raas' uncle. Jan Raas was Dutch and World cycling champion back in the 70's.
I think he was also influential in getting Jan into bicycle racing. Thats all I know, and from riding the bike, a darn good framebuilder.
The frame is marked on the fork crown and bottom bracket with the number "4". Serial number perhaps? Rear derailleur is a 1981. Has the old style Campy pedals with the toe strap loop.
I think he was also influential in getting Jan into bicycle racing. Thats all I know, and from riding the bike, a darn good framebuilder.
The frame is marked on the fork crown and bottom bracket with the number "4". Serial number perhaps? Rear derailleur is a 1981. Has the old style Campy pedals with the toe strap loop.
05-22-10, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by big chainring
Info that I have found is that Cees Raas is Jan Raas' uncle. Jan Raas was Dutch and World cycling champion back in the 70's.
I think he was also influential in getting Jan into bicycle racing. Thats all I know, and from riding the bike, a darn good framebuilder.
I think he was also influential in getting Jan into bicycle racing. Thats all I know, and from riding the bike, a darn good framebuilder.
If you understand Dutch, here is more information about Cera:
https://wielersport.slogblog.nl/post/1/1398
05-22-10, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by big chainring
CERA by Cees Raas. Only one I have seen or heard of. Its a beauty in pearlescent white/gold.
Found it on ebay and was the only bidder.
Found it on ebay and was the only bidder.
Hi there, nice to see all the Dutch bikes! Cees Raas is my uncle. He is Jan Raas' brother in law. He retired about 10 years ago. he sold a lot of his stock and paint booth when he retired, but when he learned that I had an interest in framebuilding, he gave me all his home made frame and fork building jigs, along with a fortune worth of bronze and silver brazing rods. I have the very punch used to put the name CERA on the seatstay of your bike lying in my shed!
He ran a bike shop and later frame building shop, but was also a part-time machinist for a company making combine harvesters. That's where he built all his jigs with the help of his brother Jan (no not the racer).
He took an interest in framebuilding after a visit to the Gazelle factory and the geometry of his frames (as well as the paint jobs) is inspired by the Gazelle bikes. He believes that a parallel head tube and seat tube (i.e. 74-74 degrees) makes for the best ride.
When local racers began to ask him about custom frames he didn't have his framebuilding shop and had the first few frames made by other builders, including Zieleman. I recently bought a used CERA frame off marktplaats, showed it to my uncle and he said it was likely one of the first and built by Zieleman. He is having it repainted for me with the original decals that he still had lying around!
He is still living in 's Heerenhoek with his wife Corrie (sister of Jan Raas, the racer. same surname, but no relation).
When I was about 10, Jan Raas (the racer) regularly dropped by for coffee on Sundays at Cees'place and on one of those days I was there with my mum and dad. My mum pushed me to ask Jan Raas for his autograph but I wasn't very interested because I didn't really realize who he was!
I was never very interested in bikes until about 8 years ago, after my uncle retired, so I missed out on a lot of bike building expertise. But now I have his framebuilding jigs and have commenced with my first frame, a simple lugged track frame. I should have some pictures of the jigs. I can post them if interested.
Cheers!
05-22-10, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Batavus
Hi there, nice to see all the Dutch bikes! Cees Raas is my uncle. He is Jan Raas' brother in law. He retired about 10 years ago. he sold a lot of his stock and paint booth when he retired, but when he learned that I had an interest in framebuilding, he gave me all his home made frame and fork building jigs, along with a fortune worth of bronze and silver brazing rods. I have the very punch used to put the name CERA on the seatstay of your bike lying in my shed!
He ran a bike shop and later frame building shop, but was also a part-time machinist for a company making combine harvesters. That's where he built all his jigs with the help of his brother Jan (no not the racer).
He took an interest in framebuilding after a visit to the Gazelle factory and the geometry of his frames (as well as the paint jobs) is inspired by the Gazelle bikes. He believes that a parallel head tube and seat tube (i.e. 74-74 degrees) makes for the best ride.
When local racers began to ask him about custom frames he didn't have his framebuilding shop and had the first few frames made by other builders, including Zieleman. I recently bought a used CERA frame off marktplaats, showed it to my uncle and he said it was likely one of the first and built by Zieleman. He is having it repainted for me with the original decals that he still had lying around!
He is still living in 's Heerenhoek with his wife Corrie (sister of Jan Raas, the racer. same surname, but no relation).
When I was about 10, Jan Raas (the racer) regularly dropped by for coffee on Sundays at Cees'place and on one of those days I was there with my mum and dad. My mum pushed me to ask Jan Raas for his autograph but I wasn't very interested because I didn't really realize who he was!
I was never very interested in bikes until about 8 years ago, after my uncle retired, so I missed out on a lot of bike building expertise. But now I have his framebuilding jigs and have commenced with my first frame, a simple lugged track frame. I should have some pictures of the jigs. I can post them if interested.
Cheers!
He ran a bike shop and later frame building shop, but was also a part-time machinist for a company making combine harvesters. That's where he built all his jigs with the help of his brother Jan (no not the racer).
He took an interest in framebuilding after a visit to the Gazelle factory and the geometry of his frames (as well as the paint jobs) is inspired by the Gazelle bikes. He believes that a parallel head tube and seat tube (i.e. 74-74 degrees) makes for the best ride.
When local racers began to ask him about custom frames he didn't have his framebuilding shop and had the first few frames made by other builders, including Zieleman. I recently bought a used CERA frame off marktplaats, showed it to my uncle and he said it was likely one of the first and built by Zieleman. He is having it repainted for me with the original decals that he still had lying around!
He is still living in 's Heerenhoek with his wife Corrie (sister of Jan Raas, the racer. same surname, but no relation).
When I was about 10, Jan Raas (the racer) regularly dropped by for coffee on Sundays at Cees'place and on one of those days I was there with my mum and dad. My mum pushed me to ask Jan Raas for his autograph but I wasn't very interested because I didn't really realize who he was!
I was never very interested in bikes until about 8 years ago, after my uncle retired, so I missed out on a lot of bike building expertise. But now I have his framebuilding jigs and have commenced with my first frame, a simple lugged track frame. I should have some pictures of the jigs. I can post them if interested.
Cheers!
05-22-10, 07:06 AM
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Batavus,
Thanks for all that information. Unbelievable. The info I found on the internet about Cees Raas was from articles translated from Dutch to English.
I couldnt figure out if he was Jan Raas' uncle or cousin. Now it makes sense as their was mention of Jans sister, so they are brothers in law.
And Cees is YOUR uncle, amazing. Well, he made a very nice bike. I got it on ebay and wasnt really sure what it was except the connection to Jan Raas.
That was good enough for me. I just received it Thursday 5-20. Put it together and took it for a ride. Its a fantastic bike. Handles great, and very stiff
rear triangle. All the power I put into riding goes right to the rear wheel, very little frame deflection.
Next time you see or talk to him I'd appreciate if you would say Hi for me. And that one of his bikes is in the States being ridden and enjoyed. I'll post a few pics
in the coming days.
Thanks - Paul
Thanks for all that information. Unbelievable. The info I found on the internet about Cees Raas was from articles translated from Dutch to English.
I couldnt figure out if he was Jan Raas' uncle or cousin. Now it makes sense as their was mention of Jans sister, so they are brothers in law.
And Cees is YOUR uncle, amazing. Well, he made a very nice bike. I got it on ebay and wasnt really sure what it was except the connection to Jan Raas.
That was good enough for me. I just received it Thursday 5-20. Put it together and took it for a ride. Its a fantastic bike. Handles great, and very stiff
rear triangle. All the power I put into riding goes right to the rear wheel, very little frame deflection.
Next time you see or talk to him I'd appreciate if you would say Hi for me. And that one of his bikes is in the States being ridden and enjoyed. I'll post a few pics
in the coming days.
Thanks - Paul
06-02-10, 04:34 PM
#164
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Cabinet of curiosities
From bottom to top:
- Presto Ladies frame, custom made in proper Dutch lady size. Build by Jan Legrand for a friend.
- Vittorio Strada. Build by Jan Groot in Alkmaar. Vittorio: Well know for their Randonneurs, but not really for roadbikes. This is one and it actually really nice. A well proportioned bike that already by looking at tells you it must be great. Columbus tubing. Brake cable runs nicely slotted through the toptube. 'JG' and 'Vittorio' engraved at several places.
- 65cm RIH. Shown frame, but it is part of a complete bike with full 1st gen Super Record. All immaculate. Took it apart for a complete overhaull. Not really needed, but you know me. I will leave the Campag grease in buttersmooth headset and bb untouched.
- Gazelle Stayerfiets. Very fast. Speeds up to 100km/h are achieved in the slipstream of a derney. Not an aesthetic delight and a little obscure, but sure fun and freakin rare.
A nice ensemble. From some I enjoy having my hands on them, making them tidy and seeing them go to new happy owners, from others I know they will probably stay here with me into eternity.
I hope you like them as much as I do.
From bottom to top:
- Presto Ladies frame, custom made in proper Dutch lady size. Build by Jan Legrand for a friend.
- Vittorio Strada. Build by Jan Groot in Alkmaar. Vittorio: Well know for their Randonneurs, but not really for roadbikes. This is one and it actually really nice. A well proportioned bike that already by looking at tells you it must be great. Columbus tubing. Brake cable runs nicely slotted through the toptube. 'JG' and 'Vittorio' engraved at several places.
- 65cm RIH. Shown frame, but it is part of a complete bike with full 1st gen Super Record. All immaculate. Took it apart for a complete overhaull. Not really needed, but you know me. I will leave the Campag grease in buttersmooth headset and bb untouched.
- Gazelle Stayerfiets. Very fast. Speeds up to 100km/h are achieved in the slipstream of a derney. Not an aesthetic delight and a little obscure, but sure fun and freakin rare.
A nice ensemble. From some I enjoy having my hands on them, making them tidy and seeing them go to new happy owners, from others I know they will probably stay here with me into eternity.
I hope you like them as much as I do.
07-07-10, 09:20 AM
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It already had an introduction in the previous post, my new old Vittorio Strada
Vittorio is still business and is widely known for building randonneurs for serious journeys. They sometimes do road- or trackbikes also. My 'Strada' roadbike dates from somewhere early 80s I think.
Like with pretty much all bikes I acquire I took the Strada entirely in pieces for a major overhaul. That is what I am doing now. There is still a long way to go, but I already got the cockpit ready >>
It is the original cockpit, but with new hoods and tape. Stem is a Cinelli 1A, bar is a Cinelli Champione del Mondo and the brake levers are from Campagnolo's Nuovo Record group.
The golden tape is recycled tape from another bike I got not long ago. It looked very good. I've chosen 'gold', to match with the gold lettering on the frame.
The bike came with a mix of Nuovo Gran Sport with a little Nuovo Record and the dropped paralellogram rear mech was a Shimano 600 example. Most parts will make their return, but for the rear gear change I am considering Dura Ace or Nuovo Gran Sport.
Vittorio is still business and is widely known for building randonneurs for serious journeys. They sometimes do road- or trackbikes also. My 'Strada' roadbike dates from somewhere early 80s I think.
Like with pretty much all bikes I acquire I took the Strada entirely in pieces for a major overhaul. That is what I am doing now. There is still a long way to go, but I already got the cockpit ready >>
It is the original cockpit, but with new hoods and tape. Stem is a Cinelli 1A, bar is a Cinelli Champione del Mondo and the brake levers are from Campagnolo's Nuovo Record group.
The golden tape is recycled tape from another bike I got not long ago. It looked very good. I've chosen 'gold', to match with the gold lettering on the frame.
The bike came with a mix of Nuovo Gran Sport with a little Nuovo Record and the dropped paralellogram rear mech was a Shimano 600 example. Most parts will make their return, but for the rear gear change I am considering Dura Ace or Nuovo Gran Sport.
07-09-10, 12:46 PM
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where did you get that from?
need a 62cm
need a 62cm
07-10-10, 12:34 AM
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Duell / Jan van Dalen
Funny you mention it: this is my recently finished Duell 'Solo'.
And - it's a 62,5 cm.
(Just not for sale, sorry.)
Hope you like it, I bought it because of it's color (no kiddin', I love that kind of stuff, this one is "raspberry").
And - it's a 62,5 cm.
(Just not for sale, sorry.)
Hope you like it, I bought it because of it's color (no kiddin', I love that kind of stuff, this one is "raspberry").
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07-10-10, 06:28 AM
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Hi Cool Steel, that is a supersweet bike. Nicely build. How does it ride? Is it a rider for you of a display item only?
I am working on a 59cm Pursuit. No pics yet. It has a quirky fade paintscheme: Blue sides, but on top, bottom, front and back everything is red. Duell often made (and make!) work of their paintschemes. Here another candysweet paint >>
Cool Steel's Solo is about a half to one decade earlier than Jake's newly acquired gem, but many would have guessed that already me thinks.
I am working on a 59cm Pursuit. No pics yet. It has a quirky fade paintscheme: Blue sides, but on top, bottom, front and back everything is red. Duell often made (and make!) work of their paintschemes. Here another candysweet paint >>
Cool Steel's Solo is about a half to one decade earlier than Jake's newly acquired gem, but many would have guessed that already me thinks.
07-10-10, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jan nikolajsen
where did you get that from?
need a 62cm
need a 62cm
Very nice ride Cool Steel!!! I love the color also.
Jake
07-11-10, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Elev12k
.My raspberry lady needs a couple of final adjustments, so I couldn't ride her yet. It'll happen in the next few days ... and she will be ridden from time to time, just not too regularly - I have enough stuff for hard everyday use. City curb hopping, lots of glass splinters or even locking up isn't really what she deserves, that's what I use the Vittorio for - and that one can take a lot, there's a reason why I call it "the tank"
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07-11-10, 10:10 AM
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CS, finishing a Vittorio Strada is one of my main priorities atm. See post 165 and 166. I am really looking forward to experience the ride myself.
07-20-10, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by javal
This is just great! Makes all my time on BF worth while! Great story - make use of your heritage
@ Batavus...Contributions like yours are a big part of what makes me love this forum.
Would love to see pics of the jigs and stuff you've inherited
