Danbob

I have two diamonds in the rough here and the guys in Road told me to crosspost here so here ya go:

I recently was given two 80's roadbikes by a very nice couple who has been riding for over 25 years. They just told my wife and I to come and get them and they are in reasonable shape. I need road bike experts opinions as I am a mountainbiker all the way and know not much about pavement cycles. What I do know is that the mens bike is decked out with Profile bars and all Campagnolo parts right down to the toe clips, hubs and chain. Looks like Early Carbon Record Equipment but I am not sure. Both of these frames are lugged steel and extremely lightweight. The red one is made for a woman and actually has a 26 inch tire on the rear and a 24 inch on the front - I guess it was custom built for the woman who rode it. It has a mix of Campy, Shimano, and salsa parts on it. I want to know a few things:

1. What kind of bike is the red one? (notice the logo on the frame)
2. Are they worth anything? (I doubt they are worth that much)
3. The men's one is far too big for me to even touch the ground with my feet so what should I do with it? (besides give it away)
4. Any other bits of info you guys may have.

Here is the link to my photobucket with the pictures. https://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y18.../Road%20Bikes/I very much appreciate the help because I could not get much info from the people who gave them to us other than "they are good bikes" The yellow one looks like it might have been top of the line for its time...

Hobartlemagne 

I pasted your link in a browser window and the page isnt found

04jtb

I tried the link, it just came up with "not available"
edit: beaten to it (twice)
I believe some of the link is missing. where it says "y18../Road"
The .. indicates something missing.

Record is top of the line Campagnolo FYI

04jtb

Can't see pics, if they are record as you say, they may be worth something, but useless w/o pics
A properly fitting bike you should never be able to touch the ground with your feet, so may not necessarily be wrong size.

Danbob

I fixed the link! Pics work! I am very excited to show these to you all!

rhm

Wow. That is an amazing gift. You are a lucky man.

Ex Pres 

Delta brakes - Yummy

C-Record crank, FD

The 8s brifters came out in '94(?), so that may help date some of the components

In any case, as rhm said, quite a gift. Get out the oxalic acid and start a'soakin'

04jtb

+100


Clean them up, and ride the hell out of them

balindamood

I need better friends.

Danbob

But what do I do???? The yellow one does not fit me! They are beautiful arent they? Anyone willing to venture a guess for how much they are worth? I was thinking of converting them to fixed gear bikes but when I saw what the quality of parts was on them, I decided to keep them all original except for maybe some new bar tape. I just want as much info about these and insight into them as you guys can give me.

Landgolier

From the same thread over in Roadieville:

spider-man

Looks to be a C-Record rear hub on the Terry too. You will totally ruin your karma if you turn these into fixies.

unworthy1

+1 to all the above: the Milano (3V by Masi) is totally cool and worth more than the also cool Terry, but both these bikes have been neglected, shamefully. It's worth all the elbow grease and acid it will take to treat that rust and corrosion, but it will be some work, are you game? If not, you could part them out (also a job of work) and sell them piecemeal, but I don't recommend that...and you'd be doing a good portion of the restoration job without actually restoring anything: just selling rusty corroded parts and frames. Otherwise, if you just want to flip them, in this exact condition and in my overpriced market I bet you'd get about $500 for the Milano and maybe $300 for the Terry (YRMV), and have to find buyers not afraid of dirt. My advice: I'd keep them both if they fit me and a SO.
OK, maybe I low-balled it a bit, but look at that rust on the Milano, and that corroded AL fork (replacement?) even the rivets on the Regal saddle are going green, and it's attacked the frame in several critical spots...really needs a careful going-over. The Terry is not quite as bad, but these folks left 2 brilliant bikes out in the rain for way too long.

rhm

On that subject... a friend (let's call him John) of a friend (let's call him Jim) disappeared a dozen years ago. He simply abandoned all his stuff and left. Landlord put his stuff on the street. Jim came and took it, stored it away for several years. One day John came back, and Jim gave him his stuff back. Okay, that's what's good about having good friends.

But three years ago, John disappeared again. Landlord put his stuff back on the street. Jim came and took it again. But John has yet to reappear, and Jim cannot store it all any more; has to dispose of the stuff, preferably in such a way that if John does come back again. But what to do with the Counterpoint Presto?

Fortunately, Jim has a friend who's into bikes. That would be me. Looks like I will be taking care of a classic 'bent for a while. It's good to have good friends!

hhabca

Those were really nice bikes when they were new. I can't believe that people who have been riding for 25 years would leave these bikes outside, but I guess some people just treat anything over 10 years old as 'used up' and to be left out behind the shed.

Do either of the bikes fit you? If not, the easiest thing to do is sell them complete, if your friends don't mind you doing that. Second option - part them out. The drawback of this is that if you are not careful (or just unlucky) you could end up doing some damage trying to remove parts like stuck stems and seat posts.

If the yellow one is a 58cm frame, I'm interested in a winter project .

wagathon

Looks like maybe ... lifetime guaranteed Phil Wood sealed hubs on Old Yeller ...

cyclotoine

I agree with your estimates. Note the corrosion on the crank means it will have to be stripped and polished. That kind of corrosion will drop the value drastically, the finish it ruined on most of the steel hardware pieces, again that is going to cut the value of the individual components in half if not more. This is/was beautiful stuff and the mechanical condition may be fine but people by this stuff for it's looks and this stuff is trashed. It's a shame people do that, it's definitely still valuable and you can still get a good chunk of change. If this stuff was in uncorroded condition the $1000 estimate (for the bike parted out so add your labour) wouldn't be out of line. Given the condition $500 is realistic.

Danbob

Thanks guys. Now I need to know what I need to do to bring the yellow bike back to good condition. I am very handy and modified bikes when I was younger and cars for the past 8 years. What kind of rust removal are we talking and do I have to strip all of the parts of the frame? Ideally I would like to not have to take anything off, fix the frame, rewrap the bars, and get new tires. The red bike is actually fine except for the bar tape and tires. I rode it and it rides beautifully. No real rust on the frame - just more scratches. I see what you're all saying about the yellow bike needing somme major help. So tell me what to do and I will do it. These are too good to be neglected any longer. As for the person who was interested in making the yellow guy a project, I will check out the frame size right now and post it for anyone interested. If someone PM's me and is interested then i will make a post in the for sale section you can respond there or message me.

Danbob

From the top of the seat tube to mid bottom bracket I have measured 62-63 cm. Again, PM me. Clearly it is too big for me. I can't even get crotch clearence over the top tube so I have to get rid of it no matter what :-( I suppose I could trade frames and have all the parts put on a smaller frame...

unworthy1

If they were my projects, I'd strip off everything and spray the interiors with FrameSaver. Then hit all the exterior rust with phosphoric acid and then touch up paint. All the parts with rust would soak in acid bath (sounds scarier than it is) and the alloy would be buffed with simichrome or something like.
It's a labor of love, but worth it IMHO. Not something you can make a profit by, however, unless you work for $2/hr.
That rear hub looks fatter than a Phil (but pics are deceiving) maybe a White Bros. or somebody like that?
Good hub whatever brand.

hhabca

That's really too bad about it not fitting. You could always go ahead and restore it and then resell it, but learning bike retoration on a Campy equiped bike is not the usual route. I think removing all the parts from the frame is required here, and touching up the rusty areas on the frame with touch up paint is needed ASAP. The corroded aluminum parts should be polished, the rusty fasteners need the rust removed and either buffed up, or replaced. New chain, brake and shift cables and housing are needed. Then there is cleaning and rebuilding all the bearings, where some special tools are required.
It's not obvious to most people, but neglected bikes typically need specialized care to get back onto the road without doing more damage to them. Yes, a quick wash and spray with some lube will get them moving, but the longevity of the bike and all it's moving parts does require special treatment.

How far is it from the top tube to the ground? How long is the top tube (from the center of the head tube to the center of the seat tube)? If it goes for sale, yes follow the rules and post in the for sale section.

Danbob

Rear Hub is a White Industries and I am gonna sell this bike unfortunately. I talked to a few more people and it's just not worth it to restore since it does not fit me at all. I am going to link this post up in the for sale sections so people can get the info they need.

Danbob

Okay. I did not realize I had to pay to use the FS section so the bike is now in the Westchester/ New York City Craigslist with a link to this thread for anyone who wants it. Please someone give this awesome bike a home. I am so sad to give it up.

wagathon

The head tube looked like it might be a 25.5" frame ...

Danbob

In inches, it measured exactly that :-)