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Why are Dawes bikes so under-rated? Not Japanese/Italian maybe?

Old 08-20-08, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by viscount View Post
I got one yesterday, a Horizon, for 20.
Got good paint and Suntour shifters/deraillers.
If they are the shifters that were on it when you got it, they are not Suntours; they are Simplex Retrofrictions and aside from being probably one of, if not the best friction shifters around, are virtually worth alone the price you paid for the whole bike. Nice!
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Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
As a longtime Dawes owner, I have to say that my Double Blue is probably my all-time favorite bike. I picked up the frame in 1980 after my Raleigh Record lost a battle with a car, and moved the Record's components over to the Dawes. In '82, the rear dropout broke, so I went to the distributor (located in Connecticut at the time), who graciously gave me another Double Blue frame for free. I suspect that was the last Double Blue frame to come into the US, and I have it to this day.

A couple of years ago, I decided that Double Blue needed to be repainted, and stripped the bike to bare metal. I must admit that I was surprised by the sloppy brazing that I found under the paint. Lots of globs of brass and many gaps around the lugs. Not really up to the standards that I have seen on some good Italian bikes, although it's certainly held together.

The sloppy brazing doesn't effect the ride or handling of the bike, which is as nice (or nicer) than any bike I've ridden. I hope to continue riding it for another 25 years.

I'd love to find a Galaxy to go with it.
I've only heard of the Double Blue, never seen one!
But they made so many models over the years I'm not surprised.

My old Galaxy is due for a repaint so I'll be interested to see the details under the paint.
They do have a good reputation for a factory built machine, so maybe yours was made on an 'off day'...
I'll tell you what I find on mine when it gets the treatment.

One detail I have noticed on all my 3 Dawes (1x 64ish, 2x 84ish) is that they have a single number stamped on the head-tube lugs. Wonder if yours has it too?
I'm thinking it's probably the individual builder.
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Originally Posted by ruppster View Post
Atlantis, as received:
I acquired it in a trade. Don't hate me, but it is currently set up as an around town fixed gear (45x18). I stripped some parts for other bikes. I am unsure of its fate, it is really a bit small for me (57cm seat tube). All tubes seem to be 531c, it is a very light frame. It does fit 32c tires.
Looks very nice to me!
I got no problems with different set-ups, they need to be used, that's what I say.
However it's done and if it suits you, well, that's cool
I often swap the drop bars for straights, and if that extends its useful life, what's wrong with that?
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Old 08-21-08, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Antipodes View Post
If they are the shifters that were on it when you got it, they are not Suntours; they are Simplex Retrofrictions and aside from being probably one of, if not the best friction shifters around, are virtually worth alone the price you paid for the whole bike. Nice!
I did discover that the shifters were Simplex only yesterday!
I didn't know anything about them though, so it's nice to know they are good.
They certainly look well made.
It was a bit of a mongrel actually when I looked closely, a replacement Sugino L/H crank, free-wheel is grinding and needs replacing, but a good Weinmann rim and Pellissier hub. The pedals were different, one Lyotard good and one cheap Union, damaged. Front wheel is a cheaper Weinmann, probably a replacement.

But the frame/paint/Dawes bars/Weinmann levers/Stronglight chain-wheel/Suntour mechs are all good.
I'm happy for 20!
I just fitted guards, a rack and a spare pair of rat-traps, trued the wheels and Weinmann centre-pulls are going on shortly.
Then it'll be close to being a useful machine.
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I love my 531 Dawes, even though I haven't built it up yet. It has 120mm rear spacing, it's blue, Nervex Lugs, and it has no chrome anywhere. Based on the head badge and Dawes decal, this forum determined it was from +/- 1975. Model? Unknown.
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Old 08-21-08, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by viscount View Post
...Pellissier hub.
Great! I understand they are supposed to be of a very good quality.
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Old 08-24-08, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Antipodes View Post
Great! I understand they are supposed to be of a very good quality.
I'm sure they are, and I do have another bike with an odd Pellissier hub.
But I also have two machines with Stronglight chain-sets and they are causing me problems with the slightly different threadings....
I've stripped two of them using the wrong extractors.
Live and learn.
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Old 08-26-08, 05:46 PM
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Somebody told me this was a pair of Dawes.
Not sure I believe it myself.
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Old 08-27-08, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
As a longtime Dawes owner, I have to say that my Double Blue is probably my all-time favorite bike. I picked up the frame in 1980 after my Raleigh Record lost a battle with a car, and moved the Record's components over to the Dawes. In '82, the rear dropout broke, so I went to the distributor (located in Connecticut at the time), who graciously gave me another Double Blue frame for free. I suspect that was the last Double Blue frame to come into the US, and I have it to this day.

A couple of years ago, I decided that Double Blue needed to be repainted, and stripped the bike to bare metal. I must admit that I was surprised by the sloppy brazing that I found under the paint. Lots of globs of brass and many gaps around the lugs. Not really up to the standards that I have seen on some good Italian bikes, although it's certainly held together.

The sloppy brazing doesn't effect the ride or handling of the bike, which is as nice (or nicer) than any bike I've ridden. I hope to continue riding it for another 25 years.

I'd love to find a Galaxy to go with it.
Your Double Blue sounds like my Atlantis... blobs of braze just painted over and gaps between the lug and tube. See:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...dawes+atlantis

I'd love to see some pics of yours. How about it?

You might also be interested in these scans on Marc Bulger's excellent site:
bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Dawes-84/04_racing_Atlanti...
and the page with its specs:
bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Dawes-84/06_racing_specs.jpg
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Old 08-27-08, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by viscount View Post
I've only heard of the Double Blue, never seen one!
But they made so many models over the years I'm not surprised.
Did you miss mine?
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...dawes+atlantis and on Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/2298367...7605566855988/

Our feeling is all hurt, they is
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Originally Posted by Antipodes View Post
If they are the shifters that were on it when you got it, they are not Suntours; they are Simplex Retrofrictions and aside from being probably one of, if not the best friction shifters around, are virtually worth alone the price you paid for the whole bike. Nice!
Took the words out of my mouth! Even a manky pair with rusty screws and washers will set you back 15... NOS go for around $140.
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Terrible picture but I have a Dawes Realm Rider, low end, heavy. Interesting bike though



I really don't see them too often
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Old 08-27-08, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dawes-man View Post
I did see the thread now you mention it
I did say I'd seen one though, didn't I?
Put it down to my advancing years.
Or good wine!
Lovely machine though
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Originally Posted by BikeManDan View Post
Terrible picture but I have a Dawes Realm Rider, low end, heavy. Interesting bike though
I really don't see them too often
Realmriders are cool.
I converted this one to a 3 speed and straight bars and it gets plenty of use.
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Another pic, or two, of the same machine would not be amiss.

The machines here are Viscount, Dawes Realmrider, and last but no way least, 1930s Rudge ladies Sports.
Being the smallest frame machine I have for visitors of small stature.
(Short asses in plain. non PC English)


The trigger does have a lever, it's in low here
It is a lovely bike and a total pleasure to ride.
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Here is the way I received my Dawes

I purchased the frameset with the intent of buiding up a Clubman that would fit me. The original Clubmen were built around 22" frames I need a 25"+ to be comfortable. I have been slowly accumulating parts. Right now the sticky wicket is finding a period appearing 700c rim in a 40 hole to match my FG hub.

The bike started out life as a mid 70's Galaxy. It appears to be well made, and I will have to check on the single number.

And no the fork and frame are not bent, it is the camera angle.

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Old 08-31-08, 09:10 AM
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You can't start with nothing better than a Galaxy frame
Just be cool to see the finished pics
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Good moring eveyone,

I have a Dawes Super Galaxy from 1982. Im the original owner.

Its mostly original, ridden occasionally, storred indoors in VGC
Black w white painted on logos, chrome fork ends, gold outlining around frame lugs
"Made in England" flag decal
25.5" frame
SR 120mm stem
40cm (width) handlebars
Reynolds 531 triangle
Original front/rear racks
Original ESGE fenders
Specialized TA tripple crank
Brooks Saddle
Quil type peddles with toe clips/straps
Weinmann center pull brakes and brake levers
Suntour Cyclone front/rear deraileurs/shifter
It does have new Sun CR 18 Rims/DT ss db spokes/SR (Sakae-Ringyo) NOS period correct sealed hubs (126mm rear)
New Shimano 6 speed freewheel
New chain, new housings and cables, brake hoods, bar tape, tubes, rim strips
New Continental Ultra-Sport tires
All bearings cleaned, checked and repacked

Any ideas how much is it worth?

Im running out of room and this one is too nice to be a rain or snow bike.

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Old 08-31-08, 10:33 AM
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Mind posting a pic of your Super Galaxy?

Mine is missing the OEM fenders and racks, it would be nice to have a reference.
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Mind posting a pic of your Super Galaxy?

Mine is missing the OEM fenders and racks, it would be nice to have a reference.
Hi Txvintage
I should get some pictures of mine. I have to detail it first and I have not had the time to get that done.

Anyhow it looks like this one from 1984 except:
- mine has a red/white/blue "Made in England" flag down by the bottom bracket and no red/white/blue decal midway up the seat tube
- the head badge on mine is the smaller oval one.
- the front and rear rack have reflectors. In this picture only the front one has a mount for one.
- the rear reflector on the fender was round not retangular like in the picture.


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Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I should read the forum more often.

Double Blue is in a bit of disrepair right now - I stole some parts off it for another project. I should get it back together soon, and I'll post pics then, promise.
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Thanks for the pic Rich. That pretty much settles the fender question for me. Mine is dark metallic British Racing Green, with the gold outlined letters. Polished Aluminum just looks too nice.

I like the bars in the catalog pic. I have a Profile stem and bars. they are too nice to switch out, especially with my new natural cork wrap.

I owe Viscount some "after" pics since I got it back on the road. I really need to get those done, lol.
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I owe Viscount some "after" pics since I got it back on the road. I really need to get those done, lol.
Yes, and be nice to see them
But me patient.
You got a very sweet machine there.
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Yes, and be nice to see them
But me patient.
You got a very sweet machine there.

Well, she has worn me out over the weekend. The bike is awsome, the engine needs a little work, lol.

I don't think I'll be riding any further than just a few miles today if I ride at all. It should give me some time to get some pics taken. It's even better than in the "before" shots.

I still have my shed find to present to the forum as well. It's more easily appreciated for what it can be, more so than wht it is. It will be a nice challenge.
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