Gran Sport or Nuovo Tipo hub, 79
09-13-08, 03:35 PM
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Gran Sport or Nuovo Tipo hub, 79
Ive been trying to match the rear hub on my Motobecane. It has a lot of GS stuff on it but the rear hub is dated 79. Is this a Tipo hub or a GS hub? It also has the curved QR lever.
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09-13-08, 05:02 PM
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nuovo tipo hubs were part of the nuovo gran sport group, if that makes sense...
09-13-08, 05:57 PM
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Unless you're one of those "date-code-on-the-backside-of-locknuts-must-be-period-correct" sort of people, I think that Gran Sport sort of segued into Nuovo Tipo; they're pretty much synonymous to my ears.
09-13-08, 07:11 PM
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I assumed (we all know that assuming leads to) the date coding was correct. i dont know much about campy stuff. I had a feeling they were Tipos.
Also is it just me... I was looking at the diagrams of GS and record front derailers (from the campyonly.com time line, the pdf catalog think for 74) they look like they're exactly the same. whats all the hype about record stuff?
Here is the link if anyone is interested
https://campyonly.com/history/1974/gran_sport.pdf
https://campyonly.com/history/1974/record.pdf
thanks for the info too!
Also is it just me... I was looking at the diagrams of GS and record front derailers (from the campyonly.com time line, the pdf catalog think for 74) they look like they're exactly the same. whats all the hype about record stuff?
Here is the link if anyone is interested
https://campyonly.com/history/1974/gran_sport.pdf
https://campyonly.com/history/1974/record.pdf
thanks for the info too!
09-13-08, 07:39 PM
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With hubs, the difference between Gran Sport (Nuovo Tipo) and Record is:
GS/NT has stamped races, Record has machined.
GS/NT has the shield logo on the barrel, while Record has "Campagnolo" and "Record" (except that some really early Record are "no Record").
In high-flange hubs, GS/NT has round cutouts, Record has oval.
Record has oil clips and oil holes in the middle of the barrel (except for Pista hubs); GS/NT lacks them.
Derailers have their own differences in logo, etc. A good source for comparison is Velobase.com.
GS/NT are the "more affordable" Campy from that day, while Record is the top tier. Nothing wrong with GS/NT if it suits your purpose. One person's "hype" is another's "gotta have."
GS/NT has stamped races, Record has machined.
GS/NT has the shield logo on the barrel, while Record has "Campagnolo" and "Record" (except that some really early Record are "no Record").
In high-flange hubs, GS/NT has round cutouts, Record has oval.
Record has oil clips and oil holes in the middle of the barrel (except for Pista hubs); GS/NT lacks them.
Derailers have their own differences in logo, etc. A good source for comparison is Velobase.com.
GS/NT are the "more affordable" Campy from that day, while Record is the top tier. Nothing wrong with GS/NT if it suits your purpose. One person's "hype" is another's "gotta have."
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Nuovo Tipo hubs became GS by the late 70's IIRC, and also by the late 70's the Nuovo Gran Sport, Record, and Super Record front derailleurs were essentially the same technology with small differences. From 1978 on the GS and Record were the same except that GS had a solid outer cage plate while Record had holes. Since Record did not previously have holes the GS is often confused with Record but there was never a Record front derailleur with the CPSC lip and no holes. SR was the same as Record *I think* except for the black titanium arm and tidbits. There is some kind of thing about 3 holes vs. 4 holes but I don't know if that is truely a Record vs. Super Records thing or just some Campy changed along the way. The real Campy experts (I certainly am not 
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In the classic period, there were the following hubs:
Super Record (these have appeared in two catalog editions but I have never seen a real live pair. Nor for that matter has anybody that I know) which were basically Record hubs with a titanium axle/spindle. Available according to the catalogs in small and large flange and track and road versions.
Record: Available in small and large flange and track and road versions. (Hi-Lo was also available as a road hub)
Nuovo Tipo: Available in small and large flange road versions.
Sport steel (this is not the official name as they were simply described as steel hubs in the catalogs): Available in small flange road versions with either bolt-on or Q/R axles.
Sport alloy (this is not the official name and they never appeared in the catalogs): Available in mid-size flange road versions with either bolt-on or Q/R axles.
Gran Sport three peice hubs with alloy flanges and steel body (this is not the official name as they were simply described as hubs in the catalogs): Available in small and large flange versions in both road and track. They were also available in flip-flop version with fixed cog on one side and freewheel threads on the other.
There were also the colour anodized BMX large-flange hubs, which were in many ways modified Nuovo Tipo hubs.
Super Record (these have appeared in two catalog editions but I have never seen a real live pair. Nor for that matter has anybody that I know) which were basically Record hubs with a titanium axle/spindle. Available according to the catalogs in small and large flange and track and road versions.
Record: Available in small and large flange and track and road versions. (Hi-Lo was also available as a road hub)
Nuovo Tipo: Available in small and large flange road versions.
Sport steel (this is not the official name as they were simply described as steel hubs in the catalogs): Available in small flange road versions with either bolt-on or Q/R axles.
Sport alloy (this is not the official name and they never appeared in the catalogs): Available in mid-size flange road versions with either bolt-on or Q/R axles.
Gran Sport three peice hubs with alloy flanges and steel body (this is not the official name as they were simply described as hubs in the catalogs): Available in small and large flange versions in both road and track. They were also available in flip-flop version with fixed cog on one side and freewheel threads on the other.
There were also the colour anodized BMX large-flange hubs, which were in many ways modified Nuovo Tipo hubs.
Last edited by Citoyen du Monde; 09-14-08 at 02:43 PM.
09-14-08, 04:00 PM
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With hubs, the difference between Gran Sport (Nuovo Tipo) and Record is:
GS/NT has stamped races, Record has machined.
GS/NT has the shield logo on the barrel, while Record has "Campagnolo" and "Record" (except that some really early Record are "no Record").
In high-flange hubs, GS/NT has round cutouts, Record has oval.
Record has oil clips and oil holes in the middle of the barrel (except for Pista hubs); GS/NT lacks them.
GS/NT are the "more affordable" Campy from that day, while Record is the top tier. Nothing wrong with GS/NT if it suits your purpose. One person's "hype" is another's "gotta have."
GS/NT has stamped races, Record has machined.
GS/NT has the shield logo on the barrel, while Record has "Campagnolo" and "Record" (except that some really early Record are "no Record").
In high-flange hubs, GS/NT has round cutouts, Record has oval.
Record has oil clips and oil holes in the middle of the barrel (except for Pista hubs); GS/NT lacks them.
GS/NT are the "more affordable" Campy from that day, while Record is the top tier. Nothing wrong with GS/NT if it suits your purpose. One person's "hype" is another's "gotta have."
Oh, and the locknuts werre better quality and knurled on the Record, so they slipped less in horizontal rear drops - so you didn't have to set the QR of the Record at as high a tension as the NT in order to keep the rear wheel from pulling during hard climbing. I think you can still get Record cones and locknuts at reasonable prices, so modding the NT hubs is still easy - definitely do it for the rear.
