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More info about my $10 Raleigh Professional...

OK, so I was looking the bike over when I got home last night. All of the components are Campagnolo, except the handlebar and bar post, which are both Cinelli.

The wheels have Campy axles, with Mavic Pro rims, and are finished off with Cyclepro 300 gram tubed tires.


The frame, while having some rust on it, is very solid, and has the serial number (I think, it's kinda rusty down there) of D(??) E 000376.


Yeah...and I tried to take photos with my phone, but have yet to figure out how to post them on a website...that's the only thing resembling a camera that I own.
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Post your pics to someplace like photobucket and provide a link.
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That's not a problem - it's getting it OFF of my phone that is the problem.
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Originally Posted by mickey85
That's not a problem - it's getting it OFF of my phone that is the problem.
Insert them in a text message and send them to your email address. That's how I do it.
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Originally Posted by mickey85
OK, so I was looking the bike over when I got home last night. All of the components are Campagnolo, except the handlebar and bar post, which are both Cinelli.

The wheels have Campy axles, with Mavic Pro rims, and are finished off with Cyclepro 300 gram tubed tires.


The frame, while having some rust on it, is very solid, and has the serial number (I think, it's kinda rusty down there) of D(??) E 000376.


Yeah...and I tried to take photos with my phone, but have yet to figure out how to post them on a website...that's the only thing resembling a camera that I own.
That's a lot of characters for the serial number. I have a '70 Pro that starts with "E" and has 4 numbers.
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I dunno - I'm guessing those are 0's...perhaps it's just E 0376? That'd mean that it was made in Ireland, March '76, right?
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Originally Posted by mickey85
I dunno - I'm guessing those are 0's...perhaps it's just E 0376? That'd mean that it was made in Ireland, March '76, right?
Whoops - Mine has two leading zeroes.

I believe yours is a 1970, built in Worksop - early in the year. What does your fork look like? Does it look like all one piece, or does it have a crown that is distinct from the arms?
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If it is a '70, it would have the limited edition no. sticker on the bottom of the seattube.

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from what I can remember (do'nt have the bike with me, and my picture is too small), it's not a 1 piece fork.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
If it is a '70, it would have the limited edition no. sticker on the bottom of the seattube.

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Would it still have this if the Reynolds stickers say "Reynolds 501 Repaint"?
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Originally Posted by cudak888
If it is a '70, it would have the limited edition no. sticker on the bottom of the seattube.

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Yes, I have one with the sticker. There were supposedly 500 in the original batch of brown and gold ones, probably sold for a few years. Carlton had used the fastback stay design prior to bringing out the 70 Pro.

I doubt it would exist on a repaint.
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Originally Posted by mickey85
Would it still have this if the Reynolds stickers say "Reynolds 501 Repaint"?
No. Such a decal would #1: Indicate a 1980's repaint, and #2: Tell against it being a Raleigh Professional.

I'd put the lid on speculation until we see photos of this thing...

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Originally Posted by cudak888
If it is a '70, it would have the limited edition no. sticker on the bottom of the seattube.

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Not necessarily. They continued the version pictured in the '69 catalog into 1970. I know because I have one.
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
Not necessarily. They continued the version pictured in the '69 catalog into 1970. I know because I have one.

Continued? I'd guess continued to try and sell the 69 ones even after the 70 ones came out, just like the 70 ones lasted into 71...
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
Not necessarily. They continued the version pictured in the '69 catalog into 1970. I know because I have one.
Then it would have originally been white, in that case, but from what the OP is slowly unfolding to us, it sounds as if it is repainted.

I reserve judgment in any respect until I see it.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
Then it would have originally been white-Kurt
The 69 was white with wrap around seat stays and Weinmann brakes, the 70 was brown and gold with fastback stays and the new Campagnolo brakes. I believe the stem on the 70 was a 3ttt, and the bars GB, at least on mine they are.

I have one of each.
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The 69 was white with wrap around seat stays and Weinmann brakes, the 70 was brown and gold with fastback stays and the new Campagnolo brakes. I believe the stem on the 70 was a 3ttt, and the bars GB, at least on mine they are.

I have one of each.
Out of curiosity, what's the letter on the serial on your '69 style bicycle? Mine has an "E", which makes me suspect that calendar year and model year did not correspond. Also, does your '70 style have a Cinelli style fork?
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
Out of curiosity, what's the letter on the serial on your '69 style bicycle? Mine has an "E", which makes me suspect that calendar year and model year did not correspond. Also, does your '70 style have a Cinelli style fork?
Don't have the 69 handy, its down in my storage, but here's a pic when I finished it. It and the 70 have the Cinelli style fork; the 70 has a chrome crown, otherwise, neither frame has any chrome.
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Don't have the 69 handy, its down in my storage, but here's a pic when I finished it. It and the 70 have the Cinelli style fork; the 70 has a chrome crown, otherwise, neither frame has any chrome.
ok - I wasn't sure if the '70 had the Cinelli fork. Guess we have to wait for pictures.

btw - is that the original paint? Hard to tell for sure from the pictures, but it seems in remarkable condition if it is.
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btw - is that the original paint? Hard to tell for sure from the pictures, but it seems in remarkable condition if it is.
The white is the original paint. Came from ebay a little rough, rubbed it out, touched it up and replaced some decals. New seat, bar tape, cables and rebuilt wheels as clinchers.

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The bike is definitely repainted. Going on components (which I realize can be changed out), it's at least a Mark IV, and is probably a Mk V - Campy/Mavic wheels, and campy brake sets, which weren't on the originals. I'd hazard a guess that it's as old as 1974, but doubtfully older. I did post the serial #'s, and will hopefully be able to get pics up tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by mickey85
The bike is definitely repainted. Going on components (which I realize can be changed out), it's at least a Mark IV, and is probably a Mk V - Campy/Mavic wheels, and campy brake sets, which weren't on the originals. I'd hazard a guess that it's as old as 1974, but doubtfully older. I did post the serial #'s, and will hopefully be able to get pics up tomorrow.
Hold up. Mk IV had the fastback seatstay cluster, Mk V went to a more conventional design.

Most 1970's were the MkII limited-edition model.

That said...does it have a fastback cluster?

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If you're talking something that looks like this:

https://velospace.org/node/1962

Then no. Close, but the rear drops don't go all the way to the top. It DOES have an integrated clamp though.

The frame, incidentally, looks identical to this (thanks Sheldon...)



Actually, the entire bike looks identical - the only differences are a different Brooks seat and white bar tape. Same colors and markings, same chain, gears and cranks, even the same pedals and leather clips. It doesn't, however, have the reflectors, nor the pump. Like I said, I'll try to get pics tonight.
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I've never seen a Pro with a seatlug like that first photo. I was referring to this (note upper center photo):



Will be interesting to see this beast...

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It looks just like that - in fact, the only difference between that and mine is (again) the missing stuff, and the seat.

The thing is so original that I'm tempted to think that it's a Mk V, simply because of the mavic tubbie rims. This thing even has the original campy brake pads.


It also has (and I know its a repaint, but oh well) the bronze outlines on all the lugs (and identical lugs)...

Did Raleigh use other shaped lugs for different models?
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