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Old 11-08-08, 07:43 PM
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Tell me about boeshield...should I use it on these frames?

Tell me about boeshield, or any other internal frame treatment to prevent/inhibit rust. I know how you guys are, so I posted a pic as payment in advance for the free advice. As you can see, I've got a few nice NOS steel frames (see pic...both are Columbus tubing, the Masi is "SLX-SP" and the Sancineto is "MAX") waiting patiently to be built up with period correct Campy components. What do I need to know about preserving the inside of these steel frames. The bikes will be ridden regularly after they're built up, though never in the rain.
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I think I can speak for just about everyone here....buy a can of Weigle's Framesaver...spread out a hugeamongus piece of cardboard, follow the instructions to the letter and forget about it. The smell gradually goes away.
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I just applied some JP Weigel Framesaver to an old frame, after reading about it here. Should be able to call around and find it at a bike shop, or you can order it on line.

You spray it in the frame in several places, rotate the bike around to make sure it's spreading everywhere, and hang it up for 12 hours or so. Then repeat.

The instructions are very detailed and very easy to follow. The stuff is a bit messy (kind of an oily/syrupy mess); so make sure you're doing it over newspapers or a dropcloth.

Seems worth doing for $12.95.
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Old 11-08-08, 07:56 PM
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I use Boeshield, does the same thing. Your bikes are nice, I have never seen a Sancineto and I have to say that those lugs and the shaped Max tubing are freakin' stunning.... and the pearl white....chrome....!!!!
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So you've never seen a Sancineto...have you ever heard of the name?

VIP, you say you've never "seen" a Sancineto frame...have you ever even heard of a Sancineto frame? I'd never heard of Sancineto prior to purchasing this one. I simply bought it because it was 1) my size, 2) Italian, 3) constructed of MAX tubing, 4) completely NOS condition and 5) it's got the chrome stays and fork.

If you know about Sancineto, please educate me...I'd love to know more about these frames.
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Oh sure... Bucky Sancineto was Joe the Plumbers grandfather. Increased taxes to his small frame building business pushed him out of work and now he picks up empties on the side of the New Jersey Turnpike.

No, never ever heard of or seen one and I would like to. Why don't you send it over for inspection. If it is junk I will dispose of it for you.

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OK to get back to the OP's question: I'd say FrameSaver is 1st choice, but Boeshield is a close 2nd if for some reason you can't find #1 or already have a can. Yes, it's good for the innards of your steel frames, use it.
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anyone know the chemical differences in the products? Are either any different than auto supply versions of the same thing? This stuff looks the same and a lot cheaper, $4 to $7 per spray can at most auto supply stores.

http://www.permatex.com/products/Aut..._Treatment.htm

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that is a "rust converter" it's a latex paint or vinyl solution impregnated with phosphoric (or formic) acid. The acid does a good job of converting iron oxide (rust) to iron phosphate, but the latex/plastic often does not bond well to cruddy surfaces, it also contains a large % of water. Framesaver and Boeshield are different...exactly how they are formulated I do not know, but more like a "waxy-oil".

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Bummer, I just wrote you and found this post of yours:

Well... Sancineto is a VERY small single family frame shop in Northern Italy (Cuneo Italy... I think I said Cierno in my other message to you, but that is a typo). Started in either 1919 by Gianni's grandfather. Built high-end custom frames for some teams in Northern Europe. VERY few imported to the US. (A guy in Portland I spoke with talked to the importer that bought 50 some bikes at a trade show in Europe and imported them in 1994-ish.) Other than that..., Sancineto is a mystery. Nothing online in English, Italian...nothing. I found some for sale in Germany, and mostly track frames. I imported mine from Poland (NOS)...

Here is the info we got from the US distributor via phone:
"He had a tough time selling them because no one in the US had heard of Sancineto. He said he brought in about 50 bikes beginning in 1994. Serial number starting 94-SG001, etc. Four levels of tubing Thron, SLX, EL Pro and Max. He was attracted to them at the Milan bike show. He liked their “pinned tube, silver brazed, hand painted construction”. He does not know if they are still in business. He said they were at that time one of the oldest specialized frame builders in Italy, having begun in 1919. Their very small frame shop was on the family farm outside of Cuneo. Pietro Sancineto started the company. He raced. Son Sabastiano carried on. He raced, mainly track. Grandson Gianni, builder of our bikes, was at best a mediocre racer. He said he at one time had info on the company. Said they were popular in northern Europe. They built bikes at some (unknown) time, for the Lithuanian national team, the German womens Olympic team and other Swiss, Danish, Finish and British teams. He promised to look around for more info and call me if he finds anything. I will let you know. "

I'm 99% mine is Columbus SL, but with no decals, I'm not sure. It has Columbus drops, so I'm sure he used all Columbus tubing on mine, but not the shaped MAX like yours... stunning!

I've built it up with centaur 10s triple and a carbon fork.

Take care!
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carbon fork

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I notice this is nearly six months old now, but I have to say... that white Sancineto is absolutely stunning.
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any update on the build?
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Originally Posted by poprad View Post
i think i can speak for just about everyone here....buy a can of weigle's framesaver...spread out a hugeamongus piece of cardboard, follow the instructions to the letter and forget about it. The smell gradually goes away.
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Originally Posted by krems81 View Post
carbon fork

no offense
It was frame only..., no fork included. Good luck finding a steel original Sancineto fork..., you can't find frames let alone forks. In any event, I'm building my Sancineto up to ride at least 100 miles weekly, so soaking up bumps is good...
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Originally Posted by krems81 View Post
carbon fork

no offense
I don't think it looks too bad..., and talk about riding smoother than ti or carbon..., just absolutely beautiful to ride for hours...

Frame direct from a shop in Poland:

Frame built up about half way... will post when complete this week...
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Build Update and Sancineto Facts...

Build update: Sorry, nothing has happened. I still have three NOS frames to build up...and the Sancineto (Columbus MAX) is third in line, behind a Masi Nuova Strada (Columbus SLX-SP) and a Colnago Master Piu (Columbus Gilco S4).

Sancineto Info: FYI, I can offer that this frame was delivered to me from the Northwest (either Washington or Oregon). It is serial number 004. It's NOS condition, except the seller told me that it was built up as a "show bike". So, you can tell that a bottom bracket and headset were installed at one time. There are no pit marks or other telltale signs indicating it was ever ridden, not even around a parking lot.
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Originally Posted by TheEconomist78 View Post
Bummer, I just wrote you and found this post of yours:

Well... Sancineto is a VERY small single family frame shop in Northern Italy (Cuneo Italy... I think I said Cierno in my other message to you, but that is a typo). Started in either 1919 by Gianni's grandfather. Built high-end custom frames for some teams in Northern Europe. VERY few imported to the US. (A guy in Portland I spoke with talked to the importer that bought 50 some bikes at a trade show in Europe and imported them in 1994-ish.) Other than that..., Sancineto is a mystery. Nothing online in English, Italian...nothing. I found some for sale in Germany, and mostly track frames. I imported mine from Poland (NOS)...

Here is the info we got from the US distributor via phone:
"He had a tough time selling them because no one in the US had heard of Sancineto. He said he brought in about 50 bikes beginning in 1994. Serial number starting 94-SG001, etc. Four levels of tubing Thron, SLX, EL Pro and Max. He was attracted to them at the Milan bike show. He liked their “pinned tube, silver brazed, hand painted construction”. He does not know if they are still in business. He said they were at that time one of the oldest specialized frame builders in Italy, having begun in 1919. Their very small frame shop was on the family farm outside of Cuneo. Pietro Sancineto started the company. He raced. Son Sabastiano carried on. He raced, mainly track. Grandson Gianni, builder of our bikes, was at best a mediocre racer. He said he at one time had info on the company. Said they were popular in northern Europe. They built bikes at some (unknown) time, for the Lithuanian national team, the German womens Olympic team and other Swiss, Danish, Finish and British teams. He promised to look around for more info and call me if he finds anything. I will let you know. "

I'm 99% mine is Columbus SL, but with no decals, I'm not sure. It has Columbus drops, so I'm sure he used all Columbus tubing on mine, but not the shaped MAX like yours... stunning!

I've built it up with centaur 10s triple and a carbon fork.

Take care!
Well, they are a bit more known in Europe obviously but only among aficionados. Not a big brand at all. This one is built with Columbus Cromor tubing and is made for a triathlete I think since it was built to take 650C (571) wheels. Note the heightened seat-tube, frame measures 50/54 cm c/c. Decal on seattube state "Fratelli Sancineto - Torino".

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Here is my ride built up..., with about 75 miles on it... smooth and silky! Can't wait to put another 20,000 miles on it...
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Originally Posted by TheEconomist78 View Post
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1745155&id=573603620

Here is my ride built up..., with about 75 miles on it... smooth and silky! Can't wait to put another 20,000 miles on it...
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Sorry.... here it is:

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I forgot to mention that i laced the wheels myself... Arrowhead velocity with centaur hubs. 32hole front 36 rear (bomb proof)...

The frame has some cool features: cable guides on the headtube, pinned seatstays, recessed rear brake cable, beautiful lugs and hand painted graphis on the toptube and seattube. I'm running a 52-43-30 with a 12-27 rear. Vittoria Rubino tires with tire liners at 120psi (never had a flat in 1500 miles on them ***knock on wood***)...
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