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Le beau est aussi utile que l'utile - The French Bike Thread

Old 11-14-08, 08:52 AM
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how to post pics?

I want to post a picture of my 1984 Elvish (bet ya never heard of that, eh?) but I cannot figure out how to post pictures so they appear in the message and not in a little attachment window (see afilado's and scozim's replies). I have done the "attach image" route a few times in other posts and the image never appears in the message itself. And, yes, I checked for image posting FAQs and got nowhere.
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Old 11-14-08, 09:03 AM
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if your photo is hosted at a site like flickr, picassa etc. you need to copy the url of the image
and then use the insert image button above ( looks like a postcard), or wrap the URL in tags
[img] url [/ img} (remove the space between / and img, it;s there to fool system).
otherwise if the image is on your hard drive you'll need to attach it.

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p.s. yes I've seen an elvish before, someone here had one.
makes me want one just to be able to say "Elvish has left the building" everytime I rode.
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Here is my 1976 Grand Record from about a year ago... since changed out the handlebars for a Philipe professional, installed a Zefal HP silver vintage pump with Campagnolo pump mount, and changed out the tires to Grand Bois Cerfs.



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Old 11-14-08, 10:58 AM
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MY '74 Grand Jubile'. Maybe not the best French bike I've got, but I think the GJ is a real classic with its Huret Jubile derailleurs, Stronglight 49 crankset and Pivo bar and stem. The bike has 531 main tubes and Nervex lugs, and it originally had an Ideale 80 saddle, but I've got a Brooks B15 on it now. I've also replaced the original Normandy Sport/Weinmann wheels with Normandy Competition hubs laced to Superchampion rims and sew-up tires. As shown, this bike weighs about 24 lbs. Not too bad for a second tier bike.

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Old 11-14-08, 11:56 AM
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motobecane gran jublile great colors
peugeot UO10 which I bought new
mercier 300 too tall for me
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Old 11-14-08, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Longfemur
Thanks to those who took the time to post pics of their bikes. I never tire of looking at French bikes, although I have to say, there really wasn't much left on French road bikes that was characteristically French by the 1980's.

For the record, that's "nec plus ultra", which is actually not French but rather a Latin expression used in French.
Well, whaddaya know: a classicist! Je me soumets Ó v˘tre connaissance supÚrieure.
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Old 11-14-08, 01:30 PM
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I'm not getting this "nec plus ultra" (sic) thing. On google it comes up as a Russian band, a font, a wine, and other stuff. I'm assuming it's a typo of ne plus ultra, but the question I'm not getting over is: is it (a: sometimes) or (b: always) a typo? But we digress, this has nothing to do with French or bicycles.
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Old 11-14-08, 02:10 PM
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Here's my French beauty - a Vitus 979 with Campag Chorus (Chainset not shown in this photo but it's back on now with new rings). Lightest bike I've ever had. Also have Campag Record clipless pedals on it now and Campag bottle & cage.
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Originally Posted by dbarnblatt@usa.
Here is my 1976 Grand Record from about a year ago
What a beauty. Are those VO fenders and racks?
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Old 11-14-08, 02:42 PM
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Just arrived and in the office for 20 minutes. These are the winter - and much longer projects. 1984 Peugeot PSV-10 that my dad bought brand new. Hasn't been ridden in awhile because my dad bought a Spectrum titanium bike in 1991 and has been riding that since. This thing has been sitting in the old shed for probably 15 yrs. New tape, cables, brake pads and bearing re-pack will be done this winter on it. I'll probably go with clipless pedals also and get the bike ready for some time trials next summer.

The other appears to be a 1968 Peugeot (green) and I'll start a new thread on it because I'm in the dark. The serial number is 863715. My dad got this bike as a fixed gear from his bike shop back in the late 80's and used it on his trainer for a long time. He eventually had it changed back to a 5 speed. A lot of work is needed on this and I have to evaluate the rust on the right chainstay. If it's too bad the bike will stay on the wall.
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Old 11-14-08, 03:35 PM
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Unsurprisingly I have a fair few french bikes!
Here are two as found which I have yet to work on which are currently in my attic


an Elvish,




and a pegeuot PSV


Hopefully next week I'l get these up and running and post two new photos.
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Old 11-14-08, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Antipodes
I'm yet to find a classic French bike (anybody have any leads on a 64-65cm frame?), but here's my girlfriend's custom single speed 1972ish Peugeot PX-10:

I think that the copper leaf on the lugs is a brilliant idea and I intend to steal it. (the idea, not the bike)
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Old 11-14-08, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by spider-man
What a beauty. Are those VO fenders and racks?
Honjo fenders and VO front and rear stainless racks. MAFAC gold competition brakes, Campagnolo Record hubs... all the rest is original to the bike. Thanks!
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Old 11-15-08, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogester
72 PX-10
Hey, that's MY bike - give it back !



Honestly, they're quite similar - vintage-wise, condition-wise, size-wise and even in some details, like the black half hoods (ok, I know, bars/pedals/saddle/FD/wheels are different).
The PX-10 must be the most ferociously modified bike model, I haven't seen any in the last years that would've been 100% original.
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Old 11-15-08, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cool Steel
Hey, that's MY bike - give it back !

Honestly, they're quite similar - vintage-wise, condition-wise, size-wise and even in some details, like the black half hoods (ok, I know, bars/pedals/saddle/FD/wheels are different).
The PX-10 must be the most ferociously modified bike model, I haven't seen any in the last years that would've been 100% original.
You and about a zillion others! How many of these things did they make? I think the reasons they are modified so much is because they were set up as racers. I mean a 52/45 crank with a low 21 tooth freewheel just doesn't cut it for many...especially for all the overweight bike-boomer Americans that they were sold to. I put a 28 tooth freewheel on mine and I still can't make it up many of the really steep hills in my town.

btw...nice PX!
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Old 11-15-08, 03:25 PM
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Actually the overweight thing is pretty recent, but may have begun sometime in the late 70's-early 80's. Or are you saying only fat baby boomers could afford them. The latter is more likely.,,,,BD
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Old 11-15-08, 09:27 PM
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1980 Peugeot UO10



1984 Peugeot PGN10 dumpster find converted to fixed gear, with 1960's ideale model 90 saddle



1985 Peugeot PH501 (just got it, best pic i have, sorry) all I've done so far is add the saddle & cloth bar wrap
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Old 11-16-08, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rhm
I'm not getting this "nec plus ultra" (sic) thing. On google it comes up as a Russian band, a font, a wine, and other stuff. I'm assuming it's a typo of ne plus ultra, but the question I'm not getting over is: is it (a: sometimes) or (b: always) a typo? But we digress, this has nothing to do with French or bicycles.
"Ne plus Ultra"-- no more beyond. The ultimate...
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Old 11-16-08, 04:03 AM
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Here's one of mine (the only one I have pics of for now.). I bought it off eBay. The seller said the previous (original?) owner told him it's a Gitane. The previous owner painted it, so there are no decals. Because it's a cyclocross bike, if it is a Gitane, I assume it's a Gitane XO. But because there are no indications on the bike, I don't know that it's a Gitane. Does anybody recognize the bike? Is it a Gitane?

Assuming it's French, it does seem to fit the philosophy reflected in the title of this thread.















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Old 11-16-08, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dck
That silver and red color scheme is my absolute favorite.
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Old 11-16-08, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogester
You and about a zillion others! How many of these things did they make? I think the reasons they are modified so much is because they were set up as racers. I mean a 52/45 crank with a low 21 tooth freewheel just doesn't cut it for many...especially for all the overweight bike-boomer Americans that they were sold to. I put a 28 tooth freewheel on mine and I still can't make it up many of the really steep hills in my town.

btw...nice PX!
wow, even more inspiration! Bogester and Cool Steel, is that the original paint on you PX-10's? Mine is in pretty rough shape and I've alway toyed with getting it repainted with new decals. Any advice?

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Here's my 70's Grand Jubile. Its one of my favorite rides, especially when visiting my father in law near Tucson, AZ. The roadies around there don't see many bikes setup like mine!

I Built it up from a bare frame with Mavic hubs, Stronglight headset, ornate Shimano 600 crank, derailleurs & shifters. The bar & stem came off a co-worker's Grand Record, I traded him a SA Dyno-Hub for them. The fenders are Giles Berthaud stainless steel. I need some new pics as I have added a Stronglight triple, a butchered Brooks B-17 & a Simplex seatpost. Don
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My '7? Gitane TdF townie with later SLJ derailers, Retrofriction shifters and and Mavic hubs/rims:



My repainted '74 Peugeot PX10 with mostly Campagnolo NR/SR. The headset is correct, but that's it.



My daughter's '74 Peugeot PA10. We both learned that we don't like riding fixed from this bike. It has a single speed freewheel on it now. I may sell the wheels and convert it back to a geared bike. The bars, brakes, stem and pedals are from my PX10. The headset is a British-threaded Stronglight A-9. I don't know how that's possible, but it's true.

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FRENCH BIKES? ...

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MOTOBECANE _ Grand Record (1975)



MOTOBECANE _ Le Champion (1971)



VALGAN _ Chambord (late1970s)



PEUGEOT _ PX-50 (1975)_650B



PEUGEOT _ PX-10E (1975)



PEUGEOT _ P-18C _ (1985)

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I think late 1960s and early 1970s Peugeot PX-10s were being modified pretty early in the game. But not because of the rather high gearing - since they really were considered serious Racing bikes, anyway. Personally, I had quickly changed freewheels to match the gears of a traditional 42t chainring (and just accepted that I might be viewed as a wimp by my small cog racing buddies).

They were very light weight and yet quite inexpensive bikes to start with. So, as a "base" they could be "upgraded" with Campagnolo equipment which was always perceived as far superior to Simplex... and the Simplex Prestige plastic body derailleurs really did have a rather short life expectancy when put to continuous hard usage. The plastic friction shifters were no great prize either, and always at least "felt" a bit flimsy to me.

If the bikes had originally been equipped with the all-alloy Simplex Super LJ derailleurs and Simplex retro-friction shifters, MANY of the bikes would likely have remained pure factory stock to this day. Unfortunately, although formally "introduced" by 1973, those components really were never seen on ANY bikes in the US until perhaps 1976 (IIRC)... and, they were seldom (if ever) issued on stock PX-10s even then.

Ironically, I'd choose a cheap-o Simplex Prestige over a Nuovo Record rear derailleur today. They always just shifted better. When I finally invested in a NR derailleur (in the 1970s), I was truly disappointed. Those who could afford Campy as original equipment on their expensive Italian racing bikes and never knew anything else, were always perfectly content with the components. The derailleurs indeed lasted through millions of the required (overshift-and-trim...overshift-and-trim...) manipulations which was always accepted as normal... and the Campy cranks usually only began to fatigue and crack after years of use.

Hmmm... I've never heard of a Stronglight crank ever breaking.
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