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Grand Bois 12-02-08 08:38 AM

I have a '74 Peugeot PA10 with an apparently original fork that has British threads and a keyway instead of a flat that takes a 22mm stem. There's no sign of modification on the steer tube, except that I can see that it's been bored. I had to use the last of my British-threaded Stronglight A-9's on it. I was saving that headset for something more special than a PA10.

robtown 12-02-08 09:03 AM

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My steer tube is 22 mm and the top nut doesn't restrict it. The seat tube seems to be ovalized, 25.9 mm to 27.0 mm. From the serial number I'm guessing it's a 1970.

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The secret to these thumbnails is to click on the picture to get a full page picture. Clicking on that gives you a full size view.

unworthy1 12-02-08 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by robtown (Post 7949625)
PICTURES


The seat tube seems to be ovalized, 25.9 mm to 27.0 mm. From the serial number I'm guessing it's a 1970.
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Really? an ovalized seat tube would be pretty darn innovative for a bike that age, wouldn't it? or was Peugeot on the cutting age back then? very nice frame in any case, congrats!

banjo_mole 12-02-08 11:31 AM

Nice bike! And, of course, if those brakes don't suit you, Rivendell has these:

http://www.rivbike.com/products/list...product=15-111

Which I think are quite dandy looking, brand new, and seem like (although not Mafac) they'd match the bike.

It's cool, though. I'm partial to Pugeots, esp. while restoring one for my girlfriend.

nice bikes.

Grand Bois 12-02-08 07:08 PM

I can't agree that Dia Compe brakes match a Peugeot! Mafac Racers are what you want. The set you took off of the PA10 you sold me would be perfect.

Your seat tube should be 26.4mm. If it's oval, it's damaged. If you're measuring at the top, that's not how you do it.

That's a Stronglight Competition V4 headset.

The original Stronglight 118mm bottom bracket will work with a Campy NR double crankset and, of course, a Stronglight 93. I have the parts and I'm willing to make you a deal on them. I want to convert the PA10 back to a geared bike and I need a wheelset.

Road Fan 12-03-08 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by robtown (Post 7946246)
I do have a pair of Campy hubs, freewheel rear that is 120mm. I'd get that laced to some Sun 700 M13II silver box clincher rims. That would be later if the hubs shine up properly. For now I have a set of Dura Ace hubs, with a 6 speed DA freewheel and Matrix ISO rims. I also have simplex DT shifter and some original Mafac brakes. Chris, at Veloorange, says they have a $20 Simplex RD that should fit. I also have a Campy NR crankset for now.

:thumb:The seller might bring the frame by tonight 8:30pm EST - saving me a couple hour round trip :thumb:
he's on his way - with a RD, brakes, and handlebars!

I wouldn't go too big on the rims and tires. This is an old frame, but it is a racing frame designed for tubulars, not any old 27 inch gumballs one could find. The clearances might be fairly tight. Plus, a Campy NR is a great choice, but you will need a Campy French-thread BB. Nothing less will work right, 'cep maybe a Phil in French dimensions and thread. I'm pretty sure that bike came originally with either a Delrin Simplex Criterium RD or Delrin Simplex Prestige, not a metal one.

Road Fan

robtown 12-03-08 05:47 PM

Not to worry - the ISO have 700x25c gumwalls mounted. I pulled out my high flange Campy hubs and polished them to a mirror finish yesterday. My LBS will build them with some box style 700c rims.

I picked up a Pivot stem and 26.4mm seat post off ebay. A BB solution is still elusive. I've got an old Viscount saddle for now and am looking at a couple of Persons leather saddles in antique brown / copper rails for longer term.

I think she might look stylish with some black cloth tape and shellac for the handlebars.

Grand Bois 12-03-08 07:05 PM

I think white Peugeots look good with black cloth, especially if they have black lugs. Black half hoods would be nice if you could find them for a reasonable price.

http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/27...600x600Q85.jpg

Does this look familiar, Robert?

http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/43...600x600Q85.jpg

I resprayed the stays, fork and part of the top tube using Dupli Color white primer and white wheel paint. The match is so close that everybody thinks it's all original paint.

Iowegian 12-03-08 11:32 PM


Originally Posted by Dirtdrop (Post 7959527)
I resprayed the stays, fork and part of the top tube using Dupli Color white primer and white wheel paint. The match is so close that everybody thinks it's all original paint.

I looked for that very same white wheel paint after a previous post about it but couldn't find anything by that name. Do you remember the brand name or where it is available? TIA!

miamijim 12-04-08 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by robtown (Post 7949625)
PICTURES


My steer tube is 22 mm and the top nut doesn't restrict it. The seat tube seems to be ovalized, 25.9 mm to 27.0 mm. From the serial number I'm guessing it's a 1970.

Where is it ovalized? Serial numbers prior to 1979 cannot be used to date a Peugeot bicycle. Unless there's date codes somewhere the best you can do is '70-'73

Road Fan 12-04-08 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Iowegian (Post 7961301)
I looked for that very same white wheel paint after a previous post about it but couldn't find anything by that name. Do you remember the brand name or where it is available? TIA!

Also to find the right stuff in an auto parts store, we need the part number for the paint.

I was looking for some silver paint for my Mondonico, and there are about 20 different ones on the rack at local Murray's Auto Parts.

It's real particular, we need to be very specific!

Road Fan

Road Fan 12-04-08 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Dirtdrop (Post 7959527)
I think white Peugeots look good with black cloth, especially if they have black lugs. Black half hoods would be nice if you could find them for a reasonable price.



Does this look familiar, Robert?



I resprayed the stays, fork and part of the top tube using Dupli Color white primer and white wheel paint. The match is so close that everybody thinks it's all original paint.

Very nice, but when was a cottered crank used on a 531 Peugeot? Is that frame and parts set from the '50s? The decals look late '60s or early '70s, but the frame angles look earlier than that.

+1 on the black 'bars and highlights - it looks "high performance" and "formal night out." She'll be happy to be so well-dressed.

zdrifter 12-04-08 07:13 AM

Based on the pics & decals the bike is probably not a '70 ... the headtube decal is consistent with a '72-73.

Also contrary to some earlier comments in this thread, wider tires will definitely fit .. the PX10 frames were sold in a configuration using 27x1 1/8 rims and 27x 1 1/4" tires ... here is a link to the component specs for a 'std' PX10 ... if you are interested can post a pic of my purchased new original '72 PX10, the slightly more rare blue model, which I am running with 27" tires .. this ability to run either 27" or 700c is one of the reasons Peugeot stuck with the Mafac brakes which have a pretty wide reach range.

Also there is a Stronglight BB (french) on eBay at the moment .. and yes as others said a Stronglight puller is a MUST if you get the original crank (several on the bay now) .. the TA and other pullers WILL NOT work. The only other effective solution to the BB issue is a Phil bracket and they are rare and $$$. Enjoy building and riding your great new bike!!!

Grand Bois 12-04-08 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 7962094)
Very nice, but when was a cottered crank used on a 531 Peugeot? Is that frame and parts set from the '50s? The decals look late '60s or early '70s, but the frame angles look earlier than that.

+1 on the black 'bars and highlights - it looks "high performance" and "formal night out." She'll be happy to be so well-dressed.

It's a '74 PA10.

miamijim 12-04-08 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by zdrifter (Post 7962119)
Based on the pics & decals the bike is probably not a '70 ... the headtube decal is consistent with a '72-73.

Also contrary to some earlier comments in this thread, wider tires will definitely fit .. the PX10 frames were sold in a configuration using 27x1 1/8 rims and 27x 1 1/4" tires ... here is a link to the component specs for a 'std' PX10 ... if you are interested can post a pic of my purchased new original '72 PX10, the slightly more rare blue model, which I am running with 27" tires .. this ability to run either 27" or 700c is one of the reasons Peugeot stuck with the Mafac brakes which have a pretty wide reach range.

Also there is a Stronglight BB (french) on eBay at the moment .. and yes as others said a Stronglight puller is a MUST if you get the original crank (several on the bay now) .. the TA and other pullers WILL NOT work. The only other effective solution to the BB issue is a Phil bracket and they are rare and $$$. Enjoy building and riding your great new bike!!!

zdrifter...I'll clarify a few things.

1. The link you provided shows a pre-70 catalog. Regardless of the date that particular scan does not picture a 70's model PX10. Although it may have been handed out during the early 70's it was printed with old pictures.

2. Larger tires will easily fit an early PX10 along with 27" wheels as the UX10 was stock with them. Dont confuse larger diameter with larger section width. I think what most are commenting about is the width. Fat/larger 28's or 32's aren't as aestheticaly pleasing as 23's or 25's.

Grand Bois 12-04-08 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Iowegian (Post 7961301)
I looked for that very same white wheel paint after a previous post about it but couldn't find anything by that name. Do you remember the brand name or where it is available? TIA!

Google Dupli Color wheel paint. The brand is Dupli Color.

The wheel paint is acrylic enamel. The touch up paint is lacquer. Acrylic enamel is more durable than lacquer, but it needs months to cure completely unless a hardener is used.

miamijim 12-04-08 08:13 AM

?? http://www.duplicolor.com/products/wheel.html

Road Fan 12-04-08 11:18 AM

Well, I didn't mean to say that all PX-10s and sibling 531 frames were made for tubulars. All the ones I saw for sale in my LBS's in Chicago, back in the late '60s till some point in the early '70s, came from the factory with tubular wheels. That's my background, and its limit.

However, the radius (hub to tread) of a wider section bike tire will be a bit larger than that of a smaller section bike tire, on teh same rim, by an amount similar to the actual difference in width. It's also affected by tread thickness. It's just a few millimeters, but I was thinking of "what can you cram into a possibly tight frame?"

banjo_mole 12-04-08 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by zdrifter (Post 7962119)
...if you are interested can post a pic of my purchased new original '72 px10, the slightly more rare blue model...



do it.

miamijim 12-04-08 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 7963357)
Well, I didn't mean to say that all PX-10s and sibling 531 frames were made for tubulars. All the ones I saw for sale in my LBS's in Chicago, back in the late '60s till some point in the early '70s, came from the factory with tubular wheels. That's my background, and its limit.

However, the radius (hub to tread) of a wider section bike tire will be a bit larger than that of a smaller section bike tire, on teh same rim, by an amount similar to the actual difference in width. It's also affected by tread thickness. It's just a few millimeters, but I was thinking of "what can you cram into a possibly tight frame?"

700x28's easily.....


Originally Posted by banjo_mole (Post 7963421)
do it.

If he's who I'm thinking he is it's a very, very nice bike.

retyred 12-04-08 08:57 PM

[QUOTE= I want to convert the PA10 back to a geared bike and I need a wheelset.[/QUOTE]

Seems to me I've seen a mint condition 1974 PR10 with original tubulars somewhere. You could just borrow the wheels from it.;)

redneckwes 12-04-08 09:47 PM

:thumb:Nice Peugeot Rob!!:thumb:

Grand Bois 12-05-08 07:56 AM

I just sent Rob the BB from my PX10. I won't need it. I don't have room for any more bikes and I'm too attached to the ones I have to sell any of them.


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