Old Fat Guy

There are free html to pdf converters out there. These are actually jpg's, so you could probably just save them.

Road Fan

As a pdf I can print out all the pages with one command, but not with jpgs. pdfs will print properly sized and with full resolution with any printer I choose, not so with jpgs. They can take a lot of farting around to come out good, and sometimes never show full resolution and become readable. It's more than I usually want to deal with.

Sorry, I just thought I'd ask.

Old Fat Guy

Actually, I just tried a random jpg from the site, it scaled perfectly and quality was good. Try it!

embankmentlb

Thanks

Road Fan

Doesn't matter, it doesn't always work the same way for different pc's -I've been there. I'd really rather have a pdf. But don't sweat it, I read that article a few years ago.

gomango

Just tried on the kids' new iMac. Works great! Thanks for the tip.

urodacus

I have a Colnago Saronni (1983 or 1984, frame number 25, badged as a Colnago) that is supposedly made from Aelle (seat post at 26.8 would appear to confirm that). But I stuck the bare naked frame on the scales recently and saw 2050 g, not the quoted 2300 g for a 54 cm frame. My guess is that the builder stuck a bunch of different frame tubes together, thus accounting for the less-than-full-Aelle weight. I think the toptube is a different metal, as it looked a slightly different colour and grain structure when I sanded the frame down before priming, but there's not much difference in top tube weights between various Columbus tubes: the main difference is in the stays.

The bike originally came with a generic Columbus tubing sticker, though, so the rumours that it IS an Aelle frame remain just that... Cyclomondo's replacement decal is also a generic Columbus tubing sticker. Some later Saronnis (the ones actually badged as a Saronni) have definitely got an Aelle Tretubi sticker, so there's no telling what the remaining tubes are made from. I guess they may have used some SL if they had it lying around in bulk...

unworthy1

the chart does not show that Aelle was also offered as a variation called "Aelle R" and it was a notch above regular Aelle. If you have it, you can't miss the big red letter "R" on the Columbus decal. My understanding is that it's a *butted* version of the regular chrome-manganese Aelle tubeset (which is straight-guage)...if so, perhaps it's the closet thing that Columbus has to...531...

Picchio Special

Keep in mind that complete tubeset weights are often misleading. First of all, the set is going to weigh less post-mitering. Also, builders often don't use complete sets as packaged from the factory - those were created largely for marketing purposes. Also, just about every tubing type was available in a range of wall thicknesses - often these could even be requested if not offered as "standard." One would expect - and certainly hope - that a smaller frame would use a thinner gauge of tubing, whereas the "official" weight for that tubing set might refer to a different gauge, even for that same smaller frame size. Ideally, the point is to have the right blend of light weight and stiffness/ride quality, and a good builder (even a non-custom frame designer) will balance all of those considerations. A lot of these discussions of frame weights and tubing types amount to tilting at windmills, IMO.

urodacus

Aelle R was butted, but not that light. 2245 g for typical 54 cm frame.

see here https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Italy/tube_models_80s.pdf


for what it's worth, my Saronni rides better than my Guerciotti (sacrilege, i know): stiffer when out of the saddle, yet feels a little more forgiving and softer on rough stuff, but marginally heavier. (similar tubular wheels, bars and crankset). climbs better too if you put them both in the same gear.

swif

My old Torpado was Aelle R tubing, and was outfitted with mostly Campagnolo Record. A very nice ride. Can't comment on the weight, though, as I don't have an accurate scale.