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soonerbills 01-12-09 02:25 AM

It's crying shame
 
Some people should be banned from bicycles:(
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-ALAN-Sup...3%3A1|294%3A50

Mike Mills 01-12-09 02:46 AM

I noted the current bid - $5.50.

Anodizing is "worn off". Yeah, right, worn off by sandpaper.

Each one of these "conversions" makes mine more valuable.

RobbieTunes 01-12-09 06:06 AM

I drove him up to 24.50.

What he did to a pretty frame is stupid, but his stupid.

If I could get it for the right price, I'd gear it back w/STI's and clamp-on guides.

miamijim 01-12-09 06:08 AM

I'll betcha someone runs it up to $200...not me!!!

High Fist Shin 01-12-09 08:09 AM

God just killed another kitten. :cry:

cobrabyte 01-12-09 08:16 AM

too bad, that looks like a cool color originally. I don't see any real "damage" done though.

Homebrew01 01-12-09 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 8166285)
too bad, that looks like a cool color originally. I don't see any real "damage" done though.

"The frame has had all of the braze-ons and derailer hangers removed "

cobrabyte 01-12-09 09:13 AM

ahhh, I just skimmed the ad, didn't notice that part..flame on

I'm guilty of doing the same, but in my "defense" it was a mid-range peugeot...the der. hanger threads were damaged & 2 of the cable guides were bent out of shape. Also, I found it next to a dumpster, missing many original parts & still use it & plan to keep it as a fixed gear

hope I'm mot kicked out of the club now, lol

Lazyass 01-12-09 09:25 AM

ebay needs a "fixie" section so I don't have to look at the damn things anymore everytime I search for steel bikes.

bigwoo 01-12-09 09:32 AM

Very very attractive, but I would just like to throw in a counter-point here....

This guy may be a huge bike snob; Some of the bike snobs that I know (including myself) look down upon these glued (with industrial epoxy right ?) frames because they have a bad habit of tube-slipping-out-of-the-lug and you can sometimes see the "water mark" where the glue let loose and the paint suddenly looks nicer.....Which this auction shows no closeups of... I think that one of our esteemed members mentioned that the head tubes on these are prone to cracking too...

It may have been a good candidate to this guy because it's not steel, isn't one of their better frames, and is glued/bonded.... I'd ask for closeups of the end of each tube before I bid more than $20 for it.... The orig parts would have been nice to snag though... And I agree that they sure were pretty to look at...

This frame isn't steel, may not be terribly special to a lot of steel guys, and I would be happy to see a young person riding it and happy....I'm just sayin... :o

USAZorro 01-12-09 11:53 AM

These are pretty flexy bicycles too from what I understand.

Cobrabyte - under the circumstances, certainly no harm in what you did, IMO. I'd say that even if I wasn't anticipating needing people in the friends bank when I roll out one of my next ones.

vinfix 01-12-09 12:03 PM

I was all ready to throw up in my mouth a little. That frame didn't have braze-ons or derailleur hanger (bracket bolted into rear eyelet, IIRC) to begin with. It's a shame what was done to the finish, though.
I had a natural-finish Super Record for over 20 years, finally sold it 5 years ago. No glue or flex problems, but I wouldn't use it for a fixed gear.

cudak888 01-12-09 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Homebrew01 (Post 8166421)
"The frame has had all of the braze-ons and derailer hangers removed "

Two derailer hangers lobbed off? :p

-Kurt

ogbigbird 01-12-09 12:20 PM

so i guess this puts the getting "fixed" or neutored into fixies. as long as someone out there has a use for a bike like that, then its all good. not like they chopped off its wheel dropouts or headtube decapitation, rendering the bike unuseable and unrideable. now that would be sad.

cobrabyte 01-12-09 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by USAZorro (Post 8167394)

Cobrabyte - under the circumstances, certainly no harm in what you did, IMO. .


Thanks :)

I really did re-purpose the bike. I don't feel guilty as I took an unused & abused bike from the trash & with a little work, (and about $350, including powdercoat & all new componants) I ended up with a nice simple bike.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2227/...5d3c1a54_b.jpg

this is as I found it...you can see the downtube shifters were gone, the original rear der. was gone & a bolt-on one was being used (probably due to thread damage) the rear brake was gone. both original wheels were gone (the back was an old 27", being used on this frame meant for 700c) The whole frame was scratched to hell & partially sanded already
I mean this thing was a mess!

I think someone was planning to convert this frame & gave up half-way through & dumped it.

So I made this out of it:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3205/...f26da87c_b.jpg

I personally think I saved this bike from the dump & it would have been a excersise in futility to try & bring it back to it's "original" state.

My point is, sometimes a bike can be "Drewed"...but without knowing the background of the bike, or the persons reason for converting it...it could also be "Re-Newed" ;)

I do love vintage bikes, but some just aren't restorable & if they can be re-purposed & stay on the the road, that's ok in my book.

My motto: restore what you can, re-purpose what you can't :)

cyclotoine 01-12-09 12:44 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly would this bike have had in the way of "braze-ons" or perhaps glue-ons?

bigbossman 01-12-09 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Homebrew01 (Post 8166421)
"The frame has had all of the braze-ons and derailer hangers removed "


Originally Posted by vinfix (Post 8167451)
That frame didn't have braze-ons or derailleur hanger.....


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 8167474)
Two derailer hangers lobbed off? :p


Originally Posted by cyclotoine (Post 8167712)
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly would this bike have had in the way of "braze-ons" or perhaps glue-ons?


My ALAN Record had braze-ons - cable guides, RD hanger, FD hanger (two derailluer hangers :D), and shifter bosses:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/PB300003.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/PB300004.jpg

Chris_in_Miami 01-12-09 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by bigwoo (Post 8166592)
...
I think that one of our esteemed members mentioned that the head tubes on these are prone to cracking too...

To make matters worse, I saw a cheap ALAN frame for sale at a local show a few months ago and the seller was quick to point out that one of the head lugs cracked when a bearing race was pressed in. I don't recall which color it was, but this could be the same frame...

+1 on the closeup photo request...

metalchef87 01-12-09 07:06 PM

It sucks more because it is in my size...tisk tisk tisk..

metalchef87 01-12-09 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 8167657)
Thanks :)

I really did re-purpose the bike. I don't feel guilty as I took an unused & abused bike from the trash & with a little work, (and about $350, including powdercoat & all new componants) I ended up with a nice simple bike.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2227/...5d3c1a54_b.jpg

this is as I found it...you can see the downtube shifters were gone, the original rear der. was gone & a bolt-on one was being used (probably due to thread damage) the rear brake was gone. both original wheels were gone (the back was an old 27", being used on this frame meant for 700c) The whole frame was scratched to hell & partially sanded already
I mean this thing was a mess!

I think someone was planning to convert this frame & gave up half-way through & dumped it.

So I made this out of it:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3205/...f26da87c_b.jpg

I personally think I saved this bike from the dump & it would have been a excersise in futility to try & bring it back to it's "original" state.

My point is, sometimes a bike can be "Drewed"...but without knowing the background of the bike, or the persons reason for converting it...it could also be "Re-Newed" ;)

I do love vintage bikes, but some just aren't restorable & if they can be re-purposed & stay on the the road, that's ok in my book.

My motto: restore what you can, re-purpose what you can't :)

I have to say I think the new look is beautiful...simple and elegant.


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