Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Show off that Randonneur; and let's discuss the bike, the gear, the sport

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Show off that Randonneur; and let's discuss the bike, the gear, the sport

Old 02-06-09, 08:15 PM
  #126  
Charles Wahl
Disraeli Gears
 
Charles Wahl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 3,456
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 164 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I don't really understand why someone would go to the trouble to build such a project and then sell it. The thrill is gone?

I especially like his closing remonstrance:
"Don’t be afraid to spend a lot of money on this bike. If we are going to get out of this economic mess, we are all going to have to buy expensive bicycles."

And I like the bars, too.
Charles Wahl is offline  
Old 02-06-09, 09:52 PM
  #127  
jan nikolajsen 
Mostly Mischief
Thread Starter
 
jan nikolajsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Moab, Utah
Posts: 1,457
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
^^I actually think this is one of the better written descriptions I've seen on Ebay. I like the bike too. But not the price.
jan nikolajsen is offline  
Old 02-07-09, 07:32 AM
  #128  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,024
Mentioned: 230 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1055 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Yesterday, I was able to snap a few pics of my Dawes, set up as a ranndonneuse (I guess),in a backdrop without too much snow. I'm not quite sure of the model, perhaps a Galaxy Touring, but it's likely of Reynolds 531 construction in the main tubes (takes a 27.2mm post), canti brakes, 700c wheels (Sun rims, Campy hua, Panaracer Grand Bois tires). I've set it up with a TA Cyclotourist crank with 50/34 rings, Brooks B17 saddle, Nitto Randonneur bars, Tektro aero levers, and the aformentioned Inujirushi handlebar from Jitensha, sitting on a Nitto M12 rack and attached at the top with a V-O decaleur. I went on a short ride through our mostly snow-covered streets, and it felt great. I look forward to many miles on this bike come spring.

Neal





nlerner is offline  
Old 02-07-09, 09:54 AM
  #129  
jan nikolajsen 
Mostly Mischief
Thread Starter
 
jan nikolajsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Moab, Utah
Posts: 1,457
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Yesterday, I was able to snap a few pics of my Dawes, set up as a ranndonneuse (I guess),in a backdrop without too much snow. I'm not quite sure of the model, perhaps a Galaxy Touring, but it's likely of Reynolds 531 construction in the main tubes (takes a 27.2mm post), canti brakes, 700c wheels (Sun rims, Campy hua, Panaracer Grand Bois tires). I've set it up with a TA Cyclotourist crank with 50/34 rings, Brooks B17 saddle, Nitto Randonneur bars, Tektro aero levers, and the aformentioned Inujirushi handlebar from Jitensha, sitting on a Nitto M12 rack and attached at the top with a V-O decaleur. I went on a short ride through our mostly snow-covered streets, and it felt great. I look forward to many miles on this bike come spring.

Neal
There we go, Neal, beautiful. That's pretty much what I'm striving for. Probably won't be able to afford the TA crank.

Is it a 6 speed freewheel, and what range? Couldn't find any info on the tires on the internet, it seems like they have to be either GB or Panaracer. What size are they?
jan nikolajsen is offline  
Old 02-07-09, 10:00 AM
  #130  
Amani576
Buh'wah?!
 
Amani576's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 2,131

Bikes: 1972 Raleigh Twenty, mid-80's Trek

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'm a little surprised Machka hasn't shown her face in this thread. She actively participates in this sport.
-Gene-
Amani576 is offline  
Old 02-07-09, 10:11 AM
  #131  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,024
Mentioned: 230 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1055 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by jan nikolajsen View Post
There we go, Neal, beautiful. That's pretty much what I'm striving for. Probably won't be able to afford the TA crank.

Is it a 6 speed freewheel, and what range? Couldn't find any info on the tires on the internet, it seems like they have to be either GB or Panaracer. What size are they?
That TA crank originally came attached to a Dawes, which I bought on CL for not a lot of money. That frame is now in the hands of BF member wahoonc, and the crank got some polish and new rings.

The cluster is a 14-32, I believe. Rear derailleur is a Shimano Deore w/ a long cage, which was a cheap eBay find. Front derailleur is a SunTour Mountech, I think, which handles that wide spread fine.

All of that budget consciousness gets thrown out when it comes to the tires, which are $50 a pop. They're sold in a few places, but I got them from Vintage Bicycle Press. They are listed as 30mm, but might be a bit wider in actual use. I do have to say that they are the most comfortable-and-fast tires I've ever ridden. I have them on my Raleigh Int'l as well.

Neal
nlerner is offline  
Old 02-07-09, 09:40 PM
  #132  
Road Fan
Senior Member
 
Road Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 14,052

Bikes: 1980 Masi, 1984 Mondonico, 1984 Trek 610, 1980 Woodrup Giro, 2005 Mondonico Futura Leggera ELOS, 1967 PX10E, 1971 Peugeot UO-8

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 745 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by jan nikolajsen View Post
Just looked at the catalog at Vintage Trek. The 620 looks great. Older steel Treks are probably the largest, most suited pool of quality frames for randonneuring out there.

Did you measure your frame or is there a place with trail info for every Trek?
The best collection of Trek's info is the Vintage Trek site, but does not have rake for every model and frame size.

After an ancient Ibob thread, I looked into whether the rake and hence trail values were the same within models and across years for the various 6xx (mostly 531) models. They aren't, for some reason. Some have "low trail" of around 40 mm, some are in the 52 mm range. The x60 (460, 560, 660, 760) frames were thought of more as racing frames, with shorter wheelbases, and have less rake and more trail, around 60 mm.

Plus the "flexiness" is not the same for all models or years. I have a 1984 610 that is rather stiff. A buddy has a 1983 (I think) 600, that is smooth and flexy, hugging the road like a snake, and with a little longer wheelbase than my 610.

Bottom line, they're not all the same.

I'd like to find a full 531 dB Trek, a 600 or 620 with the more-raked fork. I think that would be a real nice basis for a rando bike. So far, the 20.5 inch sizes are just a bit small for me, and the next size up is on the big side.

Last edited by Road Fan; 02-07-09 at 09:48 PM.
Road Fan is offline  
Old 02-08-09, 12:46 PM
  #133  
poprad
Senior Member
 
poprad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In transit
Posts: 1,611

Bikes: 07 Vanilla, 98 IRD road frame built up with 25th Ann DA, Surly cross check with 105 comp, 78 Raleigh Comp GS, 85 Centurionelli

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by zoro View Post
KAPOWWWWW! One of the nicest bikes I have ever seen. Viva Vanilla
Thanks for the compliment; here she is in her summer century ride trim:

poprad is offline  
Old 02-09-09, 01:32 PM
  #134  
IceNine
El Duderino
 
IceNine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 481

Bikes: 84 Raleigh Portage, 83 Trek 620

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Wondering how well it woks to do bar end shifters with a large rack-mounted handlebar bag? Neal, it looks like you kind of routed the cables over the top just a little bit on your Dawes. Awesome looking bike, by the way.
IceNine is offline  
Old 02-09-09, 02:10 PM
  #135  
treebound 
aka: Mike J.
 
treebound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: between Milwaukee and Sheboygan in Wisconsin
Posts: 3,345

Bikes: 1995 Trek 520 is the current primary bike.

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 87 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by poprad View Post
Thanks for the compliment; here she is in her summer century ride trim:


Crater Lake? Looks nice. The lake looks nice too.
treebound is offline  
Old 02-09-09, 02:12 PM
  #136  
poprad
Senior Member
 
poprad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In transit
Posts: 1,611

Bikes: 07 Vanilla, 98 IRD road frame built up with 25th Ann DA, Surly cross check with 105 comp, 78 Raleigh Comp GS, 85 Centurionelli

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yep, that was last summer's Crater Lake century. Perfect day for it too.
poprad is offline  
Old 02-09-09, 02:22 PM
  #137  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,024
Mentioned: 230 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1055 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by IceNine View Post
Wondering how well it woks to do bar end shifters with a large rack-mounted handlebar bag? Neal, it looks like you kind of routed the cables over the top just a little bit on your Dawes. Awesome looking bike, by the way.
Yeah, the cables are those flexy wound steel ones with no outside sheath that came with Barcons, and the handlebar bag just pushed the loops up a bit. Shifting seems unaffected.

Neal
nlerner is offline  
Old 02-09-09, 07:53 PM
  #138  
fender1
Senior Member
 
fender1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Berwyn PA
Posts: 5,964

Bikes: I hate bikes!

Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 243 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Neal,

Great bike! What FD are you using?
fender1 is offline  
Old 02-09-09, 08:41 PM
  #139  
USAZorro
Señor Member
 
USAZorro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Florence, KY
Posts: 16,186

Bikes: Mostly English - predominantly Raleighs

Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Looks like an old Chorus.
__________________
In search of what to search for.
USAZorro is offline  
Old 02-09-09, 09:01 PM
  #140  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,024
Mentioned: 230 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1055 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by fender1 View Post
Neal,

Great bike! What FD are you using?
It's actually a Shimano Exage Mountain FD. I'm not sure of its original intended use as it has a 28.6mm clamp, so I don't imagine it went on a MTB, but I'm not familiar with that line. It works great for the range need on the 50/34 crank chainrings.

Neal
nlerner is offline  
Old 02-09-09, 09:58 PM
  #141  
purevl
CroMosexual
 
purevl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Murray, Ky
Posts: 658
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
It's actually a Shimano Exage Mountain FD. I'm not sure of its original intended use as it has a 28.6mm clamp, so I don't imagine it went on a MTB, but I'm not familiar with that line. It works great for the range need on the 50/34 crank chainrings.

Neal
A lot of rigid steel MTB's had a standard seat tube.
purevl is offline  
Old 02-16-09, 03:42 PM
  #142  
jan nikolajsen 
Mostly Mischief
Thread Starter
 
jan nikolajsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Moab, Utah
Posts: 1,457
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
This is a project under development. My socalled RGV or Randonneur à Grande Vitesse, inspired by the commuter train between Paris and Lyon, as well as everything I've picked on this thread.

The frame, by far the most interesting part of the game, remain the big unknown. Two candidates are currently up for review: Trek 600 and Gazelle A-Frame. The goal for this Randonneur is to have a bike that is neither sluggish (read: touring geometry) nor overly jittery and harsh as many modern all-out racing bikes, but rather easily driven with adequate comfort for some of my long distance goals. With a slight bias towards speed over creature comfort the hope is to cover more ground quicker, leaving time for longer recovery breaks.

The componentry shown below is the working draft of what may be included. Some uncertainties remain. Old and new indiscriminately mixed. An equal dose of style and function was also employed in the selection. Pure function would move this post out of the C&V realm, while pure style is entirely too expensive.

Here's some of the choices, with comments:

Frame: Seventies northern European race brand with fender bosses.
BB: Campy Veloce sealed unit
Crank: Campy Veloce compact, 50-36. New, $42 delivered!
Freewheel: Maillard 7 speed 12-24
FD-RD: Mavic SSC, which just barely does this tooth configuration
Chain: SRAM 850
Hubs: Campy Record 36h from 1973
Rims: Torelli 700c
Spokes: Unknown, 3 cross
Pedals: Campy Record with chrome clips and VO straps
Brakes: Mafac Racer with Mathauser MTB pads and VO cable guides
Levers: Campy Aero
Shifters: Suntour Bar-Cons
Seatpost: Gipiemme
Saddle: Ideale 45
Handle bars: Unbranded randonneur
Stem: The ubiquitous Nitto Technomic
Headset: VO
Fenders: Esge 35mm plastic
Tires: Panaracer Tourguard 28mm
Front rack: Homemade, in concept stage






/
jan nikolajsen is offline  
Old 02-16-09, 03:45 PM
  #143  
-holiday76
No one cares
 
-holiday76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Yardley, Pa
Posts: 6,047
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 188 Post(s)
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
where did you get the veloce compact crankset for that price if you dont mind me asking?
__________________
I prefer emails to private messages - holiday76@gmail.com
Jack Taylor Super Tourer Tandem (FOR SALE), Jack Taylor Tour of Britain, Px-10, Carlton Flyer, Fuji The Finest, Litespeed Classic, Salsa Fargo, Santa Cruz Tallboy, Cetma Largo (FOR SALE), Riv Betty Foy (wife's), Gitane 500A Mini Racer (FOR SALE), .
-holiday76 is offline  
Old 02-16-09, 03:48 PM
  #144  
kpug505
Senior Member
 
kpug505's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Puyallup Washington
Posts: 1,847

Bikes: Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Looks like you're well on your way!


So what frame are you using?
__________________
Originally Posted by CardiacKid View Post
We don't cotton to people who cut things off their bikes in these here parts.

Check out my bike blog!
kpug505 is offline  
Old 02-16-09, 03:58 PM
  #145  
jan nikolajsen 
Mostly Mischief
Thread Starter
 
jan nikolajsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Moab, Utah
Posts: 1,457
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by -holiday76 View Post
where did you get the veloce compact crankset for that price if you dont mind me asking?
Here. But, like all Ebay auctions, it will be hard to find the exact same deal again.

jan nikolajsen is offline  
Old 02-16-09, 04:01 PM
  #146  
jan nikolajsen 
Mostly Mischief
Thread Starter
 
jan nikolajsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Moab, Utah
Posts: 1,457
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kpug505 View Post
Looks like you're well on your way!


So what frame are you using?
Probably a Gazelle A-Frame
jan nikolajsen is offline  
Old 02-16-09, 04:10 PM
  #147  
bvward
Prodigal Jerseyan
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Somerset, NJ
Posts: 20

Bikes: Trek MTB, Fuji (1987), Specialized theft recovery, Mongoose theft recovery

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Randonneur

I am building a Miyata Triplecross into a randonneuring bike... It has clearance for 700x30's, fenders, and has canti mounts from the factory. I am using Campag canti brakes, Mafac levers, Nitto randonneur bars, etc. The drivetrain is Campag Mirage with a Chris King rear hub and a dynamo front...
bvward is offline  
Old 02-16-09, 07:15 PM
  #148  
redxj
N+1
 
redxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 1,320

Bikes: A few

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by jan nikolajsen View Post
Handle bars: Unbranded randonneur
Good to see the bars ya got from me will find a use. I wanted to use them on something, but never found the right bike for them.
redxj is offline  
Old 02-16-09, 07:33 PM
  #149  
JunkYardBike
Since 1938...
 
JunkYardBike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Northwestern NJ
Posts: 6,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bvward View Post
I am building a Miyata Triplecross into a randonneuring bike... It has clearance for 700x30's, fenders, and has canti mounts from the factory. I am using Campag canti brakes, Mafac levers, Nitto randonneur bars, etc. The drivetrain is Campag Mirage with a Chris King rear hub and a dynamo front...
Planning to ride the NJ brevet series? My friend is trying to get me to ride April's Princeton 200K, but that's awfully early in the season, and 200K is probably the absolute farthest distance I'd ever ride in one shot (80 miles is my personal long in this region). However, this year's is alleged to be less hilly.

Back on topic: nice collection of parts! I have a bias toward mixed component builds (given my meager budget!). 36t front and 24t rear is a low enough gear for you on hills? Impressed!
JunkYardBike is offline  
Old 03-05-09, 11:52 PM
  #150  
Six jours
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,401
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Late to the thread, but the topic is my favorite. Don't know how I missed it.

This one is mine:



It's not vintage; I built the frame myself a bit more than a year ago. The parts are almost all new and currently available -- TA cranks, Dura-Ace rear derailleur and DT shifters, 650b rims on a Schmidt Dynohub front and Ultegra rear, Nitto seatpost, bars, and stem, 42 mm Grand Boise Hetre tires.

As far as traditional randonneuring geometry goes, I've made quite a study of it in preparation for building these frames, and it's actually very simple: a head angle of 72-74 degrees with several cm. more fork rake than is typical these days. Nothing magical, and can most easily be obtained by buying an 80s sport touring frame and paying a builder to add a couple of cm. of rake to the fork. The entire point is to restore the stable handling lost by the addition of a front bag. If you are not going to use a front bag, then the extra rake will make the bike less stable than you want it to be.

As far as tubing, it's the same lightweight steel as we used in our race bikes up through the 80s. 531, SL, and anything similar is fine. I used TrueTemper in mine, and the one I'm currently building will use old stock 531 Pro. These really are "classic" race bikes modified for comfort and practicality. Most folks never consider a randonne to be a race, but many do try to "do a time", make a personal best, etc. Many others are simply trying to finish inside the (generous) time limits, and both goals are considered equally valid in the eye of the randonneur. Whomever mentioned "credit card touring" had the right idea: imagine a credit card tour with a time limit and you're not far from the truth. There is a need for a few readily available items carried with you -- warm clothes, night riding gear, perhaps an extra water bottle -- but you're not camping out and don't need to bring the kitchen sink.

650b is absolutely not necessary to make a "true" randonneuring bike. Many -- perhaps even the majority -- of old French rando bikes are set up for 700c clinchers. The only real advantage of 650b is allowing the use of really wide tires, like my 42s. This makes the bike extremely comfortable and entirely suitable to fire trails and such, with very little loss of rolling speed. If you do not intend to use tires wider than 30 mm or so, then there's not much reason to switch to 650b, IMO.

HTH!

Last edited by Six jours; 03-06-09 at 12:07 AM.
Six jours is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.