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What the heck is a Ciclo Grandini?

Old 02-02-09, 12:02 PM
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What the heck is a Ciclo Grandini?

Last weekend I was strolling through our local swap meet when I saw a guy reaching down from a panel truck with a bicycle dangling from his hand. He was about to drop it to the ground so I rushed over and helped him. As I lowed it carefully I asked him what he wanted for it. I couldn't get the cash out of my pocket fast enough when he named his price.

While I am good at making adjustments and repairs to bikes, I am no restorer.

Is this bike worth putting in the effort to clean it up? What would you do about the rust on the frame? It is a bit big for me but I like it. Does anyone know more about Ciclo Grandini? I was surprised to find nothing when I searched BikeForums.

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Old 02-02-09, 12:23 PM
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From the UK section of classic rendezvous:
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri...brook_Bill.htm

I would say: restore.
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I'll bet these guys could help you.

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Yeah your bike is too far gone, no point of restoring it. Just send it over my way, I will give it a proper funeral. Congratulation. I say restore it. Those lugs are beautiful. Late 70's early 80's? Mind telling us how much you got it for?
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Old 02-02-09, 12:41 PM
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Tremendous find - definitely deserves a careful, living cleaning-up. I'm betting it's structurally sound - congratulations, that's really a beautiful bike.
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Old 02-02-09, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by abarth View Post
Those lugs are beautiful. Late 70's early 80's?
I'm guessing it's a bit earlier, judging by the long dropouts and what appears to be a clamp-on BB cable uide (though it does have the braze-on shifters, which were available earlier than they commonly appear). I would guess very late 60's, very early 70's.
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Hey thanks everyone. Wow. I am excited to get started.

I'll bet these guys could help you.

https://www.bikeshoplewisham.co.uk/
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I have emailed them. I will post what they have to say.

Tremendous find - definitely deserves a careful, living cleaning-up. I'm betting it's structurally sound - congratulations, that's really a beautiful bike.
It is structurally perfect. I have removed the chain and soaked it overnight. I pumped up the tires and took it for a short spin before the chain was off. It shifted perfectly with no hops at all. And that with a fairly rusty chain. The wheels are true.

Yeah your bike is too far gone, no point of restoring it. Just send it over my way, I will give it a proper funeral. Congratulation. I say restore it. Those lugs are beautiful. Late 70's early 80's? Mind telling us how much you got it for?
Thanks. It was $30.
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Do a search on oxalic acid, particularly if there is any internal rust as well.
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Beautiful frame. The lugs are wonderful! You are going to be having some fun. Congratulations on your prize!
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Do a search on oxalic acid, particularly if there is any internal rust as well.
I have read the recent thread on oxalic acid. If I were to somehow soak parts of the bike in it would the acid do damage to the remaining paint?
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Originally Posted by Losligato View Post

Thanks. It was $30.
I just picked myself up after fainting.

Note the tasteful component mods... machined out the flutes on the cranks and drilled nuovo record levers, if I date it from the components I have to say 1974-1977.

And there is something else going on there too. It looks like the lever may be moded for aero routing. Very custom, very nice.
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
I just picked myself up after fainting.

Note the tasteful component mods... machined out the flutes on the cranks and drilled nuovo record levers, if I date it from the components I have to say 1974-1977.

And there is something else going on there too. It looks like the lever may be moded for aero routing. Very custom, very nice.
Hah! That's how I felt when he told me the price.
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
Note the tasteful component mods... machined out the flutes on the cranks and drilled nuovo record levers, if I date it from the components I have to say 1974-1977.
Single set of bottle braze-ons would point in that direction, too. Still interesting to see the older-style pump peg and the clamp on rear derailleur cable guide.
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Hah! That's how I felt when he told me the price.
Nah, I would point out to him about the rust and counter offer him $15 or $20. Since, he asked for $30 he probably had no idea about vintage bike.
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Originally Posted by abarth View Post
Nah, I would point out to him about the rust and counter offer him $15 or $20. Since, he asked for $30 he probably had no idea about vintage bike.
Makes me wonder how he acquired it in the first place.

Sweet find though.



BTW, for those of you who haven't done it yet, check out the links in the OP's signature.
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That is one be-YOOT-iful bit of British framecraft! Are those Giro di Sicilia handlebars? Great stuff!
My understanding is that with reasonable concentrations the oxalic acid won't damage sound paint...but how strong you mix it is like cooking for the first time, and I wouldn't be so sure about how it treats old decals (especially water-slide type decals) so...caveat oxalico emptor...or sumthin.
anyhow...fantastic bike, fantastic story of your travelin' life, too. You've got to tell us where this swap meet was!
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I hate that kind of luck.
That bicycle is gorgeous and I envy you very much.
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The seat cluster is beautiful!! Normally I am for using Oxalic acid, I have soaked painted frames and had good results. That said, I would be hesitant to do that with this frame for the reasons Unworthy1 mention. It may be worth having a Pro treat the rust and touch it up to keep it from rusting again, I don't know who, or if anyone does that.

Congratulations, you stole a gorgeous bike!
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That is one be-YOOT-iful bit of British framecraft! Are those Giro di Sicilia handlebars? Great stuff!
My understanding is that with reasonable concentrations the oxalic acid won't damage sound paint...but how strong you mix it is like cooking for the first time, and I wouldn't be so sure about how it treats old decals (especially water-slide type decals) so...caveat oxalico emptor...or sumthin.
anyhow...fantastic bike, fantastic story of your travelin' life, too. You've got to tell us where this swap meet was!
Thanks for the advice. I spent the afternoon yesterday on the chain and have got it looking brand new. I will try to spot treat an out-of-site place first to see how a weak mixture of oa works before moving to more visible areas. I will avoid the decals.

I found it at the Spring Valley Swap Meet.

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Originally Posted by mkeller234 View Post
The seat cluster is beautiful!! Normally I am for using Oxalic acid, I have soaked painted frames and had good results. That said, I would be hesitant to do that with this frame for the reasons Unworthy1 mention. It may be worth having a Pro treat the rust and touch it up to keep it from rusting again, I don't know who, or if anyone does that.

Congratulations, you stole a gorgeous bike!
Thanks. I've got some time and use of a workshop. I am enjoying learning about restoration and I've got a few other clunkers I found at the swap meet including on old Centurion Pro Tour 15 on which I can experiment before attacking this one.
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Cripes you get 30 bucks for the saddle alone. Why oh why do I never come across stuff like this

The frame looks huge too what size is it? 63?

My size
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Cripes you get 30 bucks for the saddle alone. Why oh why do I never come across stuff like this

The frame looks huge too what size is it? 63?

My size
You have to go early and be there when they are unloading. I get to the swap meet at the border before six am and drive over to Spring Valley when they begin letting the junk sellers in at 7:30.

I have not measured the size yet. I will do so today.
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You were right. It is 63 on the nose, center to center.
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You were right. It is 63 on the nose, center to center.
i was scared it was taller and i would be offering you money for it, hehe
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Ciclo Grandini

[QUOTE=Losligato;8291614]Last weekend I was strolling through our local swap meet when I saw a guy reaching down from a panel truck with a bicycle dangling from his hand. He was about to drop it to the ground so I rushed over and helped him. As I lowed it carefully I asked him what he wanted for it. I couldn't get the cash out of my pocket fast enough when he named his price.

While I am good at making adjustments and repairs to bikes, I am no restorer.

Is this bike worth putting in the effort to clean it up? What would you do about the rust on the frame? It is a bit big for me but I like it. Does anyone know more about Ciclo Grandini? I was surprised to find nothing when I searched BikeForums.

Thanks

Hi,
Grandini was the top make of a company called Youngs who had two shops - one at the address on your bike. They sold most of their bikes over the name Youngs but they hand made some which they called Grandini. Mostly they were road racing bikes as yours is. Campag close ratio rear mech, fast back seat stays etc. They loved chrome tipped dropouts done I believe in a factory on the Old Kent Road. I have a custom built Grandini set up for touring. They built the frame to my spec and I completed the bike as I could afford it - all the best bits added! If you do a search look for the name Bettina Selby. She wrote a number of books about her cycling trips . Her first and best bike was a Grandini ordered from our local shop in Lee High Road. It was her bike which inspired me to order one. She lived opposite me and I was very envious. All the best with yours!

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