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Old 02-04-09, 05:44 PM
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Whats with these Cioccs?

What is with the German guy who sells Cioccs (I don't know if that's how you pluralize Ciocc) on Ebay? Are these for real or are they actually replicas? Lots of mint condition 80's cioccs seems a little fishy, but I've been tempted to bid a few times, though I probably never will just because I don't want to pay $140 to ship it to the U.S.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/CIOCC-Columbus-S...3%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/CIOCC-Columbus-G...3%3A1|294%3A50
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Old 02-04-09, 05:51 PM
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They look like really sweet frames as long as they really are columbus tubing, very tempting
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Old 02-04-09, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Suncoastbiker View Post
They look like really sweet frames as long as they really are columbus tubing, very tempting

That was my thinking, but it's not that difficult to get a columbus tubing stickers. Plus all the cioccs I've seen have had Ciocc stamped on top of the seat stay. Then again I haven't seen that many.
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Been discussed before, he is a reputable seller.

His reserve price reflects the value. Don't expect to steal one, but if you find one that fits and appeals to you, by all means...
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Old 02-04-09, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy View Post
Been discussed before, he is a reputable seller.

His reserve price reflects the value. Don't expect to steal one, but if you find one that fits and appeals to you, by all means...
Any idea where he usually sets the reserve?
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They're beautiful. They have stamping in the BB and some on the fork crowns.. that would be a lot of trouble to fake a ciocc. I am digging the internal rear shift cable routing.. nice.. they look to be late 1980s through to possibly even mid 1990s. The early to mid 1990s would make sense as that is when tubing really started to change. There was the evolution of large diameter thinner wall tubing and welding instead of brazing... of course alluminum started to be come more widely used by the late 1990s. Those factor would contribute to difficulty selling "dated" lugged frames at the time and they may have been sitting in the back of a warehouse since then... in anycase, I don't see any reason not to believe these are 100% legit.
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Old 02-04-09, 06:49 PM
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I keep waiting for someone to post up some pictures of one of these NOS beauties built up but no one has yet....he has sold tons of them too, I am surprised no BF'er has purchased one...
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
They're beautiful. They have stamping in the BB and some on the fork crowns.. that would be a lot of trouble to fake a ciocc. I am digging the internal rear shift cable routing.. nice.. they look to be late 1980s through to possibly even mid 1990s. The early to mid 1990s would make sense as that is when tubing really started to change. There was the evolution of large diameter thinner wall tubing and welding instead of brazing... of course alluminum started to be come more widely used by the late 1990s. Those factor would contribute to difficulty selling "dated" lugged frames at the time and they may have been sitting in the back of a warehouse since then... in anycase, I don't see any reason not to believe these are 100% legit.
That's a good explanation, I realized this guy has a 100% positive feedback rating after hundreds of sales, is it normal for Italian bikes to not have serial numbers, or is that just a Ciocc thing?

Either way these are nice to look at, but out of my price range at the moment, I can't really afford to be importing bicycles from Germany. Back to scanning craigslist for me.
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My Ciocc does not have a serial number, just the number "60" stamped into the BB for the size

Use this for scanning CL, you will thank me: http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mash.cg...occ&cat=cpbike
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That is a pretty awesome site, makes craigslist browsing that much less frustrating. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by kmcc2576 View Post
Any idea where he usually sets the reserve?
The one I was wanting went up to $541 before closing, and didn't meet reserve.
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Originally Posted by kmcc2576 View Post
That is a pretty awesome site, makes craigslist browsing that much less frustrating. Thanks!
You might like the Google 'site search' too:

ciocc site:craigslist.org

Type this in the search field on Google. Change Ciocc to other brands and change craigslist.org to other sites. Remember, no space between colon and site.
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Old 02-04-09, 09:08 PM
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yea that is definitely a good tip, I've used it on other sites but for some reason it never occurred to me that I should use it when perusing craigslist, thanks.
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I'm a lurker but i'll put my two cents in here
i've had a bit of contact with the guy and it seems that he bought a distributors warehouse of stock from the mid 80's. he is 100% legit and a very friendly guy.
he is also coming to the end of the collection, so if you want one of these i suggest you bid hard
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