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kappadave 02-14-09 07:49 AM

Schwinn Paramount or Para not?
 
Recently I purchased what I think is a schwinn paramount Chrome track P-14. I has campy fixins, cinelli handlebars, and red accents around the lugz. The chrome is clean and very little dents. The probllem that I am having is that there are no paramount or schwinn marking. There is a number near the seat post 75d2465. According to Schwinn Lightweight Data Book the location and numbers do not make sense. By the way I paid $100. The bike was sitting in my churches basement for a few years.

bikerosity57 02-14-09 07:54 AM

Photos!!!!!!!!!

King of Kadence 02-14-09 07:54 AM

pictures please

cb400bill 02-14-09 08:26 AM

Need to post some pics, please.

kappadave 02-14-09 08:29 AM

I having a problem uploading photos! Receiving error message

Picchio Special 02-14-09 08:30 AM

Some photos would help.

dit 02-14-09 08:35 AM

Is there an echo in here? :lol:

Scooper 02-14-09 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by kappadave (Post 8359175)
I having a problem uploading photos! Receiving error message

Try resizing the photo so it's less than 100 kilobytes in size.

Here's a free on-line resizing program:

http://www.resize2mail.com/

cb400bill 02-14-09 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by kappadave (Post 8359175)
I having a problem uploading photos! Receiving error message

Open a free flickr or photobucket account, down load your pictures there, then post a link to your album.

kappadave 02-14-09 09:03 AM

Thanks for the resizing site!
 
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Here is a pic that I resized. I am also going to open an account at Flickr so that I may post more pic. Thank you all for help and attention.

Scooper 02-14-09 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by kappadave (Post 8359302)
Here is a pic that I resized. I am also going to open an account at Flickr so that I may post more pic. Thank you all for help and attention.

It's pretty, but it's not a Paramount. Schwinn never used those lugs on a Paramount, and never used a seat stay treatment like that at the seat cluster. Also, the serial number doesn't conform to any of the Paramount numbering schemes, and the s/n location is wrong. Very early Paramount numbers were on the BB shell, and then moved to the left rear dropout, and finally back to the BB shell. The bike in the photo appears to be sixties or seventies vintage, and those bikes had the serial number on the left rear (non-driveside) dropout.

pastorbobnlnh 02-14-09 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by kappadave (Post 8359064)
Recently I purchased what I think is a schwinn paramount Chrome track P-14. I has campy fixins, cinelli handlebars, and red accents around the lugz. ...By the way I paid $100. The bike was sitting in my churches basement for a few years.

Obviously this bike belongs to the former pastor, who probably lost track of how many Schwinns he had. :rolleyes: When he accepted a new call to NH, it completely did not cross his mind to go to the basement and check what he had stashed there for safe keeping. :o

Now flash forward some 8 years, and kappadave starts a thread on BF-C&V, and shazam! I remember, I left behind a chrome paramount track bike in the basement of my last church! Dang! I knew I forgot something! :notamused:

Thank you Dave for finding my old Paramount. ;):D;) I'll be glad to return your investment plus a nice reward for finding my old bike! Just let me know where I can reach you?

Oh dang! I just recalled, my last church didn't have a basement!!!!! :eek:

kappadave 02-14-09 09:16 AM

Some more pic
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29605301@N05/?saved=1

pastorbobnlnh 02-14-09 09:22 AM

By the look of the lugs, this is not a Paramount. But you certainly did find a bargain!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/...a312d2ec_m.jpg

Scooper 02-14-09 09:22 AM

Well, it is very pretty. Thanks for posting the photos.

Are there any identifying markings on the crankset or the headset?

kappadave 02-14-09 09:24 AM

Nada... At the bottom of the crank it's stamped 23.

pastorbobnlnh 02-14-09 09:25 AM

The crankset should help to date the bike. Your chainring is a 144bcd. The older Pista/Track cranksets had 151bcd sized chainrings. I'm not certain when Campagnolo made this change, but sometime in the '70s or early '80s.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3362/...3143ea.jpg?v=0

RobbieTunes 02-14-09 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 8359367)
By the look of the lugs, this is not a Paramount. But you certainly did find a bargain!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/...a312d2ec_m.jpg

One more good reason to join a church.

kappadave 02-14-09 10:37 AM

Amen

Picchio Special 02-14-09 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 8359482)
One more good reason to join a church.

So that's why my ceaseless praying at home for bikes isn't working ...

big chainring 02-14-09 11:18 AM

Could it be an Atala? They had a chrome track bike in the 70's. The treatment of the rear drops made me think of Atala. Cool bike, should be a blast to ride.

cb400bill 02-14-09 11:27 AM

Pretty. Nice find.

Is that a serial number at the top of the seat tube?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3388/...d1819f.jpg?v=0

Otis 02-14-09 07:43 PM

Looks like an Italian frame to me. What is the BB threading?

I would take some steel wool to that lug striping and redo properly. Otherwise a very cool find.


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