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Esteban32696 03-14-09 07:22 AM

http://www.schwinnbike.com/usa/eng/f...isplay.php?f=5

cudak888 03-14-09 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Esteban32696 (Post 8527804)

Most of that forum is good for the occasionally overpriced and usually incorrect replacement part. They know their Stingrays and such, but they aren't well versed in much else. Some of the fellows know ballooners well, but they're in the unfortunate minority.

-Kurt

NeroG 03-14-09 06:16 PM

Today was a good haul at a variety of stores, with the exception that no one carries the Delta AirZound horn, but that is a trivial item in this stage of my project.

I managed to get these following items:

Naval Jelly
Meguiar's Scratch X
Turtle Wax Chrome and Metal Polish
One heavy duty radioshack on/off switch
two momentary radioshack switches
Chain remover/repair tool
10-24 speed chain
Water bottle holder
brake/shifter cable set
20 function bike computer
15 shop towels

and a new Schwinn seat.

I was lucky to find that both the old and new chains are exactly the same size and the cable anchors appear to be similar if not the same as the originals.

So far I've removed the gear changer and used the old rusty shifter cable to hang it so I could slather it in the remaining bottle of Naval Jelly from when I started this project, this stuff works miracles and I recommend it because it only goes after rust, even works on chrome even though it is not recommended, and does not melt fabric plastic or any other non metal material.

Tomorrow or later today I should have the front tire off and I can begin working on the frame.

King of Kadence 03-14-09 06:53 PM

I'm curious to see the kind of results you get with Meguiar's Scratch X, I know other people here swear by it. I've been using dupont rubbing & polishing compounds for ages with great results.

NeroG 03-14-09 09:05 PM

Just after that post I decided to continue work until it got dark and covered all the loose remaining parts in Naval Jelly, and all are on strings. After I remove all the rust I'll be able to polish, reassemble, and then have a usable bike which I can start upgrading.

I had seen a video on YouTube about making a single speed bike, and the specific tip I'm going to follow is the seat security method which is to take the old chain, and an old intertube, put the chain through the intertube with about half of the chain removed and connect the chain back together, then add a zip tie around the middle. Thus disabling some thief from stealing your bike seat. (although if so inclined could skip that all together and just steal the bike.)

I however still have quite a few questions that need answers before I can continue.

Where can I find pads that will fit the brake pad holders or alternatively, what kind of replacements should I get (I saw a few types such as C type)?
What is the best brand of tire/intertube for my bike?

If anyone lives in California, or Los Angeles for that matter, what reflectors do I need and where do I put them to obey traffic and bike safety laws?

Are there any other anti-theft modifications or tips that I can preform or use on my bike? (excluding that system that allows you to remove the front wheel and carry it around with you)

It seems like people have been dodging this question but do I need any paint to cover up the existing patches or will one of these polishes or scratch removers spread around the finish?

And finally, should I get some spray on clear coat after I have restored the finish?

And yes King of Kadence I to am wondering if this works as good as everyone claims it to be.

NeroG 03-14-09 09:22 PM

By the way, as I'm caught up in all my personal excitement I apologize for not thanking everyone so far for the information and help, without you guys helping me I wouldn't even know where to begin and would still have the bike rusting away any more then it has. I am grateful for the motivation and encouragement despite other members who think my efforts are a waste of time.

I cannot wait for this project to turn out well and the outcome be successful, however at the same time I don't want this to end as it is quite a bit of fun working on bikes and showing it to one of the largest if not the largest classic and vintage communities on the internet.

Thanks once again and I hope to continue this relationship with this community.

-OrenG

King of Kadence 03-14-09 10:27 PM

The best antitheft device for a varsity is the decals that say VARSITY. ;)

Skip the seat lock, unless you bought an expensive one.

For Cali you need all the reflectors that were on your bike when it was new, front, rear, wheels & pedals. You need lights at night.

After I polish a frame I wax it thoroughly and don't worry to much about the nicked areas. No problems on any of my schwinns for many, many years.

No clear coat, Wax. My favorite I think is called nu-finish, it's in a bright neon green bottle.

NeroG 03-14-09 11:27 PM

The seat lock is a diy type of thing so I see no sense in skipping it.

I have a Mongoose mountain bike that has all the original reflectors on it so I suppose I should use that as a model for the Varsity. I suppose during the 70's reflectors along with helmets were unnecessary nor required by law in Chicago, either that or my father took them off.

I have another question as well,

I see now that in the cable replacement set I purchased, for the shifters as well as the brakes there is one cable shorter then the other. Which shifter do I use for which length?

Also which brake trigger do I use for which caliper? (left for front, right for back?)

pastorbobnlnh 03-15-09 03:49 AM

Don't worry about the brake pads. I've got that covered.

NeroG 03-15-09 07:27 PM

Wow, thanks that takes alot of stress out of finding the proper pads and such.

I did purchase some pads from all electronics since someone had sold them a bunch of salvage single speed hipster bikes.

Currently I bought something called Rust Destroyer and it's a primer... I didn't know this until I sprayed the gears on the back wheel, but I don't think it's a major loss, nor a loss at all since I do plan on replacing the wheels.

Today I purchased quite a few components for the "dashboard" for the bike which controls everything electronic from the headlight to any noise makers I choose to put on there.

I plan on having about 4 in total including the following.

Vintage chrome buzzer 96 db
Delta Airzound 115 db
3 tone siren (? at least 90 db)
Mega Horn 105 db

So that's quite alot of noise if they were all on at once, plenty to alert ignorant L.A drivers of my existance before they erase me out of existance. I just hope it is all legal.

King of Kadence 03-15-09 07:43 PM

Why don't know wrangle some lithium batteries to power one car horn. Also stay out of my neighborhood if you're gonna make such a racket.

NeroG 03-15-09 07:55 PM

Oh yours will be the first I'll visit ;)

This would be me on my bike http://worldwideperformers.com/image...OneManBand.jpg

NeroG 03-15-09 08:05 PM

aww crap,

27002. No vehicle, except an authorized emergency vehicle, shall be
equipped with, nor shall any person use upon a vehicle any siren
except that an authorized emergency vehicle shall be equipped with a
siren meeting requirements established by the department.


So I'm going to have to skip the electric horns.

cudak888 03-15-09 08:09 PM

Get a small compressed air horn from Walgreens - the kind boaters use. Clamp to bars and let it be.

-Kurt

NeroG 03-15-09 08:13 PM

Well those are kind of expensive since you have to keep buying new ones after they run out. I'm sorry I took this thread off topic.

Back to the Varsity, I'm still not down to the frame yet, so I've got a bit of work to do.

mkeller234 03-15-09 10:16 PM

I would say not to worry about the nicks and scratches as long as they don't have some really extreme rust. I left the marks on mine alone, just polished and waxed it.

NeroG 03-15-09 11:25 PM

Unfortunately when I sprayed the primer I forgot to shield the frame and a small ammount of primer got on the lower area where the kick stand is, since I was spraying the rusted kickstand so it wouldn't rust any further.

Another unfortunate painting accident happened when I tried to spray the cargo rack with black spray paint that had somehow been damaged and now only foams out of the top when you try to spray.

I'm running out of cash on hand so until next weekend its going to be elbow grease that gets the job done, but so far although I've hit a bump, I will complete this by the end of March or some time during April, hopefully in time for spring break so I can get some quality riding time in.

So far I Am impressed with Scratch X, the small area that I polished looks like a new finish, however I don't know what to do about the sun damaged side of the bike that is a really pale white that can't be picked up by the camera.

By the end of March - Early April I should have a shining Varsity like other people have posted worthy of being used again.

I have more questions about disassembling the components from the frame.

What tool can I use to remove the large nut holding the handle bar stem in place to the frame?
How do I remove the kickstand?
How do I remove the main chainring (I assume that's the one with the pedals attached) from the frame?
How do I remove the pedals?

My plan is to remove all these then spray the rust removing and preventing primer down these areas, followed by some sort of grease or oil and seal it up.

For now I suppose that's all I'll be able to do besides polishing the frame with Scratch X

mkeller234 03-15-09 11:49 PM

I imagine the primer can be removed from areas that you don't want it. Try some mineral spirits or nail polish remover and it will probably be fine.


Originally Posted by OrenG (Post 8537012)
What tool can I use to remove the large nut holding the handle bar stem in place to the frame?

The large nut is not holding the stem in place. There should be a bolt on top of the stem, loosen it then give it a whack with a rubber mallet and the stem should come out (unless it is rusted in place) The large nut is actually holding the headset together, here is a Sheldon Brown link about headsets: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/headsets.html You have the "threaded" headset

Originally Posted by OrenG (Post 8537012)
How do I remove the kickstand?

The kickstand can be sort of tricky, Park sells a tool to remove it easily, but there are other ways to remove it:
http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=135


Originally Posted by OrenG (Post 8537012)
How do I remove the main chainring (I assume that's the one with the pedals attached) from the frame?

Your varsity has a 1 piece Ashtabula crank, meaning that the chanring and both crank arms are all one piece. They are very easy to take apart and reassemble. Here is a great link to Sheldon's page, pictures and all:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/opc.html


Originally Posted by OrenG (Post 8537012)
How do I remove the pedals?

The pedals just unscrew, the left pedal is reverse thread so turn it the opposite direction.

Originally Posted by OrenG (Post 8537012)
My plan is to remove all these then spray the rust removing and preventing primer down these areas, followed by some sort of grease or oil and seal it up.

I would not spray the rust preventer on any of the items, just clean them up and make sure to grease them up before reinserting them into the frame. You should also grease any threads when you reassemble the parts. There are great bicycle frame rust preventers, like J.P. weigle framesaver, I bet your local bike shop has some that you may be able to use:
http://velo-orange.com/wefrsa.html

NeroG 03-16-09 10:40 AM

Oh, so then the stem is stuck.

I will have to get some of that frame protector.

Unfortunately I already primed the seat post, but I'll use some acetone to remove it.

So really the only thing I'll leave primed is the cargo rack which I plan on painting black since I don't want to have it oiled.

So I've been told many times now to leave the scratches and such alone, what do I do about the sun damage?

I'm going to have to purchase any additional parts before April 1st since the state thinks its a good idea to raise sales tax another percent up.

So if anyone has any suggestions, please make them.

Also if anyone living in California is reading, where can I get my bike licensed? For the longest time I had no idea that it was illegal to drive an unlicensed bike.

In my area however there really isn't a crack down but I figure now that I know why take the risk.

mkeller234 03-16-09 05:05 PM

I don't know that there is much you can do about the sun fading. Some car polishes promise to bring bring old color out but I don't know if they actually work. My guess is that you may just have one side that is a little faded.

Matt

Scooper 03-16-09 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by OrenG (Post 8538949)
Also if anyone living in California is reading, where can I get my bike licensed? For the longest time I had no idea that it was illegal to drive an unlicensed bike.

In my area however there really isn't a crack down but I figure now that I know why take the risk.

Oren, there is no California statewide requirement for licensing bicycles. Cities and counties may have local requirements. Here is the "License Requirement" text from the California Vehicle Code. The complete California Vehicle Code section relating to bicycles may be found HERE.

License Requirement. VC 39002

a) A city or county may adopt a bicycle licensing ordinance or resolution providing that no resident shall operate any bicycle on any street, road, highway, or other public property within the city or county, unless such bicycle is licensed in accordance with this division.

b) Any bicycle not licensed under this division may be additionally regulated or licensed pursuant to local ordinance or may be licensed upon request of the owner.

c) It is illegal for any person to to tamper with, destroy, mutilate or alter any license indicia (marking) or registration form or to remove, alter, or mutilate the serial number, or the identifying marks of a licensing agency's identifying symbol on any bicycle frame licensed under the provision of this division.

mkeller234 03-16-09 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by OrenG (Post 8538949)
Oh, so then the stem is stuck.

I will have to get some of that frame protector.

You could probably spray some WD-40 around the base of the stem, or use some penetrating oil to unstick it.
Just make sure to rub a fair amount of grease on the base of the stem when you reinsert it, that way it won't be stuck next time.

The framesaver is nice, I admit I don't use it on everyone of my bikes, actually just one. I would not call it an absolute must, but its not a bad thing either. There is another product called boesheild, I have never used it but it is supposed to be good also.

NeroG 03-18-09 11:37 PM

Well guys,

Unfortunately (I know I say that alot) I think a repaint is absolutely necessary now.

As I have been polishing and washing and trying to get the frame to shine like it did in the 70's, more and more the finish keeps flaking off and leaving it out in the sun wasn't a good idea. Now it is even more faded and it looks so bad I wouldn't even want to ride it around.

I'm thinking fire engine red for the color, nothing anyone says now can change my mind about a repaint, since I'm going to have to use this bike for transportation to and from school I really want it to look at least decent rather then a hobo's bike or equivalent.

ilikebikes 03-18-09 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by OrenG (Post 8556892)
Well guys,

Unfortunately (I know I say that alot) I think a repaint is absolutely necessary now.

As I have been polishing and washing and trying to get the frame to shine like it did in the 70's, more and more the finish keeps flaking off and leaving it out in the sun wasn't a good idea. Now it is even more faded and it looks so bad I wouldn't even want to ride it around.

I'm thinking fire engine red for the color, nothing anyone says now can change my mind about a repaint, since I'm going to have to use this bike for transportation to and from school I really want it to look at least decent rather then a hobo's bike or equivalent.

If your using this bike for transportation to and from school that means your going to be locking it up, which means you may want it to look like a hobo's bike. :thumb:

mkeller234 03-19-09 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by ilikebikes (Post 8556908)
If your using this bike for transportation to and from school that means your going to be locking it up, which means you may want it to look like a hobo's bike. :thumb:

Not a bad point there. It's no big deal if you do want to paint it, there are tons of threads on here about painting. It is the perfect bike to make your own.

Were you able to get the stem removed?

-Matt


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