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Old 03-24-09, 09:37 AM
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Woodrups, Raleighs, Etc.

We have threads for all sorts of bikes, "let's see your vintage so-and-so" or "so-and-so," so... Let's see some classic high-end English bikes! (You know, woodrups, raleighs... Were the Mercxx bikes english?) Anyways... Let's see 'em! Fire away with photos!

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(Getting an english bike repainted at the factory is my ulterior motive, color choice is now the issue)
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Some of the Merckx bikes were built in England by Falcon, but they're distinctly not "high end." British bikes get quite a bit higher end than Woodrup and Raleigh, too (with a few exceptions). Some great examples are available at a wonderful British bike website: classiclightweights.co.uk. Sadly, none of them are mine (though I do own a pre-war Hobbs Continental Superbe frame).
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Okay, I'll bite.



Early 1980's Ron Cooper with a distinctly modern Campy 10-speed drivetrain (mish-mash of Racing-T, Centaur and Veloce) and Shimano 600 dual-pivot brakes (hey, it's what I had in hand). It's a wonderful ride.
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
Okay, I'll bite.


Early 1980's Ron Cooper with a distinctly modern Campy 10-speed drivetrain (mish-mash of Racing-T, Centaur and Veloce) and Shimano 600 dual-pivot brakes (hey, it's what I had in hand). It's a wonderful ride.
Lovely - Ron cooper is one of the most underrated framebuilders anywhere, IMO.
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Maybe we can get USAZorro to show his Hetchins.

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Nice! One picture! Bikingshearer, where do you live? That looks just like California's Central Coast, where I live.

Well, I'm still looking for some pictures, I'd like some kind of idea of what kind of paintjob to ask for.

I'm really rather torn.

Keep them coming... Or something.

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Here's my 78? Woodrup Giro? I scored the frame set with tatty paint on eBay and got the components for free on CL. The wheels were bought for another bike, but they seem happy here.

It's wearing DuraAce7400 with the same period Chris King headset because that's what was free.

My plans are to move the DuraAce to my KHS build, and make this a rando of sorts I just need to mount my fenders and buy a randonneur bar and a proper crank/bb. Anyone got parts kicking around?

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Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
Lovely - Ron cooper is one of the most underrated framebuilders anywhere, IMO.
Thanks. I have been in love with the understated elegance of Ron Coopers for a very long time. When a frame in my size became available on eBay at a reasonable price, I simply had to pull the trigger. It is, quite simply, a wonderful bike.


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. . . Bikingshearer, where do you live? That looks just like California's Central Coast, where I live. . . .
I live in Berkeley. That photo was taken last Spring at Inspiration Point at the top of Wildcat Canyon Road in the hills between Berkeley and Orinda.

As for how to have your British steed painted, here is a thought or two. Most - not all, but most - British frames I have ever seen have had pretty understated paint jobs. They can have funky stays (Hetchins) or weird fork blades (don't remember who did that, but someone here will), or even wildly ornate lugs - think Mercian Vincintore. But even those tend to have pretty straightforward paint jobs, either one color or one color with white head tubes, panels on the downtube and/or seat tube. This is with or without chrome on the stays and forks. The most common place for Brits to go a little nutso in the paint department is on the seat tube, with alternating bands of colors on some marques. Some also feature pinstriping or box-pinstriping - Jack Taylors come to mind here.

But you are not likely to see fades or multi-tone or day-glo paint schemes on most classic British frames.

When I think of British paint jobs, I think "baked-on enamel." Both my pictured Cooper and my long-lost Bob Jackson (glorious in red with white head tube and downtube and seattube panels) had that kind of paint. The paint is very thick and, done right, it will survive a nuclear blast. Paint schemes featuring one dominant color, and that color being fairly "common" (no teals or fuschias) seem top work best with such paint jobs and have oh-so-British understated elegance.

Middling reds, middling to darkish blues, and British racing green all work very well for that type of paint job. White outlining around the lugs is a nice touch that many British frames have. And the not-unusual white heade tube and seattube panel looks really nice.

Of course, this opinion and $1.50 will get you a bad cup of coffee. In any event, enjoy the seet agony of anticipation. I hope you end up with a paint job that you will love for many years.
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English trekking bike from the Eisenhower era. A Dawes with a hand-built 531 frame with an oiling port on the BB and another at the bottom of the head tube. Braze-on bosses for DT shifters. Braze-on pump mounts, etc. The head lamp bracket bolts onto the right fender fork, which is pretty neat IMO. Miller generator light set works nicely...so far. Paddy Megahey's web site... https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/p..._id=83727&v=5W ... influenced me a bit on this one. The pictures below, I have to admit, have been posted elsewhere on BF.
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
Some of the Merckx bikes were built in England by Falcon, but they're distinctly not "high end." British bikes get quite a bit higher end than Woodrup and Raleigh, too (with a few exceptions). Some great examples are available at a wonderful British bike website: classiclightweights.co.uk. Sadly, none of them are mine (though I do own a pre-war Hobbs Continental Superbe frame).
What a web site!
https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/index.html
By the way, here's my 1973 Raleigh Superbe ... sitting in the basement waiting for warmer weather. Not really a high-end bike...just solid transportation.
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
I live in Berkeley. That photo was taken last Spring at Inspiration Point at the top of Wildcat Canyon Road in the hills between Berkeley and Orinda.

As for how to have your British steed painted, here is a thought or two. Most - not all, but most - British frames I have ever seen have had pretty understated paint jobs. They can have funky stays (Hetchins) or weird fork blades (don't remember who did that, but someone here will), or even wildly ornate lugs - think Mercian Vincintore. But even those tend to have pretty straightforward paint jobs, either one color or one color with white head tubes, panels on the downtube and/or seat tube. This is with or without chrome on the stays and forks. The most common place for Brits to go a little nutso in the paint department is on the seat tube, with alternating bands of colors on some marques. Some also feature pinstriping or box-pinstriping - Jack Taylors come to mind here.

But you are not likely to see fades or multi-tone or day-glo paint schemes on most classic British frames.

When I think of British paint jobs, I think "baked-on enamel." Both my pictured Cooper and my long-lost Bob Jackson (glorious in red with white head tube and downtube and seattube panels) had that kind of paint. The paint is very thick and, done right, it will survive a nuclear blast. Paint schemes featuring one dominant color, and that color being fairly "common" (no teals or fuschias) seem top work best with such paint jobs and have oh-so-British understated elegance.

Middling reds, middling to darkish blues, and British racing green all work very well for that type of paint job. White outlining around the lugs is a nice touch that many British frames have. And the not-unusual white heade tube and seattube panel looks really nice.

Of course, this opinion and $1.50 will get you a bad cup of coffee. In any event, enjoy the seet agony of anticipation. I hope you end up with a paint job that you will love for many years.
You live in Berkley? No wonder it looks so much like home. I'm in Santa Maria, just by Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo. Gorgeous, eh?

I agree with you on the paint job, I definitely didn't want any wierd fades or anything like that, nice-and-classic is what I was thinking. I asked my girlfriend for her opinion,

she gave me a lime green bike with sky blue head tube and seat panel (?)... Not quite as subtle as I'd hoped.

I, for one, was considering a deep burgundy red paint job, with chromed stays and fork ends, with a cream colored head tube and a cream band (panel?)on the down tube. But that's just me, any other suggestions or criticisms?

(that or the same thing as above in orange and cream...)

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Some ideas I was toying with... Suggestions?



Of course, the down tube and seat tube would have the "WOODRUP" decals, I just can't fudge those.
This is mostly for coloring purposes.
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Just took these pictures today, Here is my precision crafted 1978 Raleigh Professional (hey, it is better made than a Raleigh Competition I had.) Thanks for providing another thread for my pics, I am going to plaster these all over the place!!!







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Well, now that you posted your pro, I suppose I have to post mine.

This one is awaiting resto...guess you could say it's the "before" to mkeller's "after"
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Originally Posted by banjo_mole View Post
I, for one, was considering a deep burgundy red paint job, with chromed stays and fork ends, with a cream colored head tube and a cream band (panel?)on the down tube. But that's just me, any other suggestions or criticisms?

(that or the same thing as above in orange and cream...)

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Some ideas I was toying with... Suggestions?



Of course, the down tube and seat tube would have the "WOODRUP" decals, I just can't fudge those.
This is mostly for coloring purposes.

Burgundy with white or cream head tube and seat tube panel, like the middle illustration -- ooooooooooo. For some understated bling (if such can exist), maybe with white or cream pinstriping around the lugs. That would be stunning and entirely in keeping with British painting norms.

Just say "no" to the lime green/sky blue combo.

You do realize, of course, that you are going to have post pictures when you do this.
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I toyed with the green one a little more, it's still to lime-y in that picture...


And, bikingshearer, here's your lug lines:


Any other thoughts on the matter?

And here's a "blank" if anyone else wants to give it a whorl, although I must say you'll need to jack up the contrast or something before coloring, photobucket likes to compress, and thusly, corrupt, sections of solid color.


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Ive got my eye on a Raleigh Super Course frameset, I think if I get it I'm going with a metallic dark green with cream head tube and seat tube band, and gold lug lining.
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Maybe we can get USAZorro to show his Hetchins.

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Originally Posted by cycleheimer View Post
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https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/index.html
By the way, here's my 1973 Raleigh Superbe ... sitting in the basement waiting for warmer weather. Not really a high-end bike...just solid transportation.
What is the hub date on yours? Sure it isn't a 1974?

BTW here is mine

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Nice way to introduce yourself to C & V .

Beautiful!

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I agree. More Raleighs and English bikes needed here at C&V. ;-)







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Any other thoughts on the matter?

baby/sky blue, with cream/off-white panels/head tube. I like blue - dunno if it is "traditionl" British or not. A light, medium, or perhaps emerald green with off-white would look nice, too.
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My only England made bike.
still needs original saddle, pedals, and wheels.
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My vote is for the burgundy with the cream head tube. Or British racing green, THE official green of British racing!
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