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Genuine Brooks saddle vs. off-brand?

Old 07-07-14, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz
Weren't those images of the Pro that you linked above? If not, my bad. If so, your bad.
Actually those are the images from that manufacturers site. They are not Brooks. There's no badge on them.
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While it is a bit narrower than the my Brooks B-17s (they are 17s right? better double check) I like the quality and finish of the leather saddle I got from V.O.. It isn't quite as shiny as the Brooks so I don't feel like I am slipping out of the saddle.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I have Brooks, Wrights and Ideale, personal favorite and the most durable seem to be the Brooks. Watch for a scratch and dent sale from Wallbike.

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I had a nice Wrights saddle mounted on a '72 PX-10 that was more comfortable the the Brooks that I've had, probably due to the leather that was more amenable to break in. The only Ideale that I've owned was made of very thick leather. It never did break in well.
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Originally Posted by P3T3R
I live in India. You get a lot of substandard stuff here. But you can also get good stuff if you look. Now I'm not saying the stuff can compare to Brooks but then the Persons or Permaco saddles which are sort of copies of the Brooks B17 are made in India.


Actually the stuff sold in India has to last. Majority of the people still use Roadsters as those are the only cycles they can afford. People like me who use modern bikes constitute less than 1% of the total cyclists.


Again not comparing to the Brooks Pro. Just FYI the original Brooks are available in India but they cost about 3 times the average roadster.

All said and done cycling (for leisure/fitness/competetion) is slowly picking up in India and for people into this kind of cycling, the only source of information is forums like this.
I've read that the Persons saddles are covered with buffalo hide. Do you know if that is true?
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Old 07-07-14, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by P3T3R
I live in India. You get a lot of substandard stuff here. But you can also get good stuff if you look. Now I'm not saying the stuff can compare to Brooks but then the Persons or Permaco saddles which are sort of copies of the Brooks B17 are made in India.


Actually the stuff sold in India has to last. Majority of the people still use Roadsters as those are the only cycles they can afford. People like me who use modern bikes constitute less than 1% of the total cyclists.


Again not comparing to the Brooks Pro. Just FYI the original Brooks are available in India but they cost about 3 times the average roadster.

All said and done cycling (for leisure/fitness/competetion) is slowly picking up in India and for people into this kind of cycling, the only source of information is forums like this.
The problem is that for those outside India, it's hard to know what are good manufacturers, and which are crappy manufacturers. We have all seen Indian made clothing where the first time it's washed all the buttons come off. India has an advantage, in 30 years time, the Indian market for a lot of goods will sustain the Indian manufacturing industry, just like the Chinese market will sustain the Chinese manufacturing industry. I feel sorry for America then, when these goods start getting a lot more expensive, and there is no real domestic manufacturing capacity left.
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Originally Posted by John Hood
A Gyes GS-09 is comparable to a Brooks B17. GS-09-$60, B17-$120.
Shop around a bit, I bought a new B17 in black a few months ago for $86 with free shipping, I see them all the time for under $100 and fairly often under $90. Just bought a very lightly used Honey colored B17 "Champion Special" for $85 with free shipping. I did give the Gyes a serious look before I came across the "Champion Special" but the bike it's for is Metallic Burgundy with gold lettering, the Honey with copper rivets and name plate at that price was irresistible.
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Originally Posted by Wogster
The problem is that for those outside India, it's hard to know what are good manufacturers, and which are crappy manufacturers.
I am also not sure how good or bad the saddles are. However I'm guessing they will be really cheap (A brand new Raleigh Roadster costs less than $100 in India so the saddles in the pic have to be a lot lot cheaper) and it wouldn't hurt to try out one. That's exactly what I'm going to do.

We have all seen Indian made clothing where the first time it's washed all the buttons come off.
I've noticed that Indian made clothes sold in the US are much better quality than the same brand sold in India. However things are improving and we do get quality stuff too.
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I just received a mail from the manufacturer and the cost of these saddles is around $20 if ordered in bulk. I have asked him to send me 3 and I will try them out.
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Two saddles I bought that were ruined and replaced the leather. Are they still Brooks, leather came from saddle shop. One on right broke in, left just finished.
These are B17Ns which I find more comfortable than the standard B17.
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Originally Posted by P3T3R
I just received a mail from the manufacturer and the cost of these saddles is around $20 if ordered in bulk. I have asked him to send me 3 and I will try them out.
Does three count as bulk?
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Originally Posted by P3T3R
I just received a mail from the manufacturer and the cost of these saddles is around $20 if ordered in bulk. I have asked him to send me 3 and I will try them out.
I'd be interested in hearing how they are and how they hold up. So far as I know, the most common Indian saddle available in the states is this one.
Rideable Replica Hairpin Vintage Retro Bicycle Saddle Brown - AAWYEAH Bikes and Bicycle Parts
Reviews on it are mixed with the consensus generally being, "It looks cool, smells awful, doesn't wear too well and you're better off spending a bit more and getting a better saddle."

There's a time and a place though for cheap saddles and if India can produce a decent $20 leather saddle, I'd love to have one. I'm not going to slap a $150 Brooks on my beater Schwinn World Sport. The whole point of that bike is that it's a rideable POS that I don't have to worry about getting stolen.
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Old 07-13-14, 09:25 AM
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False economy, in my view. But I guess I can see a certain logic to them given your intended usage.
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Originally Posted by jeirvine
Does three count as bulk?
No. Bulk order means 250. But I just mailed them saying I need 3 for testing before deciding. They usually supply samples at a marginally higher price.

Originally Posted by John Hood
I'd be interested in hearing how they are and how they hold up.
Will let you know.

So far as I know, the most common Indian saddle available in the states is this one.
Rideable Replica Hairpin Vintage Retro Bicycle Saddle Brown - AAWYEAH Bikes and Bicycle Parts
Reviews on it are mixed with the consensus generally being, "It looks cool, smells awful, doesn't wear too well and you're better off spending a bit more and getting a better saddle."
That used to be very common earlier though you still see them. A more common one is this:
NS-013

and this:
NS-014

There's a time and a place though for cheap saddles and if India can produce a decent $20 leather saddle, I'd love to have one. I'm not going to slap a $150 Brooks on my beater Schwinn World Sport. The whole point of that bike is that it's a rideable POS that I don't have to worry about getting stolen.
+1 to that
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