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Pantographing: The Secrets, The Mysteries, The Myth! (And the facts.)

Old 05-22-09, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by banjo_mole
Thank you, lotek.

Did anyone ever see this thread?

If not for the GIOS, than for the Paramount. It's ridiculously glorious.

It's an old thread, but man, what a steal.
I really wish I didn't click on that link... GREEN WITH ENVY! That Paramount and Gios are downright gorgeous! I agree that the Gios looks amazing with all the panto'd parts. I can see how it may look a bit "busy" on some bikes, but that Gios just looks right.
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Old 05-22-09, 11:23 AM
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AM I right in thinking I read a thread about rennovating pantograghs (i.e. re-filling with colour?) here as I can't find it anywhere?
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Old 05-22-09, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Citoyen du Monde
Gios did not do the work in house! I can assure you of that. They sent it out to be done.
I believe you wholeheartedly, it makes sense and everything.

But, I think for the sake of fun, prove it.

I already have admitted you were right, I'm not challenging your statement, I'm just being a punk.

Kindly,

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Old 05-22-09, 11:26 AM
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The pantographing on that Gios is very tasteful. I fell in love with the first Colnago I ever saw, mostly because of the pantographing. But it seems to me that those bikes were pretty gaudy, and a lot of the pantographing was over-done on a lot of Italian bikes.

Nowadays, it seems easier to use a cnc, but since you have to follow a contour it would mean you have to probe the part first. And the engineer in me would worry about introducing stress risers.
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Old 05-22-09, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Tigerprawn
I really wish I didn't click on that link... GREEN WITH ENVY! That Paramount and Gios are downright gorgeous! I agree that the Gios looks amazing with all the panto'd parts. I can see how it may look a bit "busy" on some bikes, but that Gios just looks right.
I am also amazed that so few people ever saw that thread... Of course, my opulent tastes are torn between the chrome on that paramount and the panto on the gios... I like gios bikes more, but in all reality, I'm built for paramounts. (Longer torso, shorter legs, everything gios is not. *shrug*)

But yeah. Great thread. And he said he got those two, and two more minty bikes for $2500. That Gios alone is worth that, if not more. Dunno about the paramount.

But I saw a place called "Paramount cleaners" today and thought of Kurt.

But it was a dry cleaning place.

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Old 05-22-09, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by unterhausen
The pantographing on that Gios is very tasteful. I fell in love with the first Colnago I ever saw, mostly because of the pantographing. But it seems to me that those bikes were pretty gaudy, and a lot of the pantographing was over-done on a lot of Italian bikes.

Nowadays, it seems easier to use a cnc, but since you have to follow a contour it would mean you have to probe the part first. And the engineer in me would worry about introducing stress risers.
... What?

(is a CNC)
(is part probing)
(are stress risers?)
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Old 05-22-09, 11:33 AM
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when I think of Pantographing I think of 3 bikes.
Gios, Tommasini and of course Colnago Pantografata


there's a good write up on paint fill for pantographs here:
https://www.raydobbins.com/misc/paintfill_tips.htm

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Old 05-22-09, 11:42 AM
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Lotek, don't forget confente...
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Old 05-22-09, 12:07 PM
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I can understand the fascination with pantographs at one level, but on another level I think it was the early version of the modern rolling billboard that the manufacturers call road bikes. Simply an attempt to make sure that you couldn't miss the brand name no matter where you look on the bike.

Of course, it was classier looking than the anodized or decal labels on cranks etc. that some manufacturers used. And orders of magnitude better than the garish styles of today (and I think the main reason for larger tubes today is not related to stiffness, I think that can be done with shape, it is the greater advertising space).
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Old 05-22-09, 12:18 PM
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My anti-consumerist agrees with you wholeheartedly, however, at the same time, if I had a Confente with a full panto, I'd definitely want everyone to know.
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Originally Posted by banjo_mole
... What?

(is a CNC) computer controlled milling machine
(is part probing) using an electronic probe in the milling machine to measure the contour of a part like a stem
(are stress risers?) sharp corners and other cut out shapes that cause high stress concentration.
I particularly find sharp cornered slots in stems to be a questionable decoration. The Gios chainring was cut with a ball-end cutter, much better for fatigue.
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Old 05-22-09, 04:01 PM
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Did someone mention Somec and panto in the same sentence...Here's my taste of Somec "factory" panto:

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Old 05-22-09, 06:37 PM
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I like "Pinarello"-pantographed Campagnolo Super Record seatposts, even if they were panto'd yesterday. But I agree that too much pantographing looks gaudy. Restraint is everything.

Edit: and that's *not* a direct comment on the nice Somec detailing that appears immediately above this post. Honest. No offense intended.
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Old 05-22-09, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by banjo_mole
I believe you wholeheartedly, it makes sense and everything.

But, I think for the sake of fun, prove it.

I already have admitted you were right, I'm not challenging your statement, I'm just being a punk.
I used to live in Rivoli Torinese and my office was in Pianezza, both very near by to Settimo Torinese. I used to stop by there reasonably often to say hi to Alfredo, who I got to know when I was doing the buying for one of Gios' biggest customers in Germany. Somewhere I still have some photos with Alfredo at a few Milan trade shows and in Settimo.
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Originally Posted by Citoyen du Monde
I presently have two bikes that are fully decked out in pantographed components, however both are unique bikes that were either custom built or recently built up from a bare frame for the first time.
Quoting myself, click here to see two bikes that I had pantograph work done on:

The first is a copper cromovelato frame from a small former shop in Agordo in the Dolomites. Like all cromovelato frames, you can't do anything to stay under the radar with this bike, so I figured you might as go all out and get the components pantographed.

https://velospace.org/node/18212

The fellow who helped me get the frame, bought up the complete stock of the shop and ended up with the blue cromovelato frame that you see here: https://velospace.org/node/20088. So the pantographer made two sets of components. The blue bike is a 55 cm C/C and too big for my friend, so he is likely going to sell it shortly.

The other bike that I felt it was appropriate to go panto wild on is this bike that I had built as a practical joke.

https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...ito/?g2_page=2

It has panto'ed chainrings, cranks, seatpost, stem and brake levers. Plus, before building up the frame, I had the all the lugs engraved, just like the fork crown and the drop-outs. I also had a cut-out made in the BB shell. While I agree that it is over the top, I don't believe it is gaudy.
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banjo_mole,

Rest assured, Citoyen du Monde knows what he is talking about.

Only a young, punk kid who doesn't wear a helmet would question his expertise.
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Originally Posted by Citoyen du Monde
The other bike that I felt it was appropriate to go panto wild on is this bike that I had built as a practical joke.

https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...ito/?g2_page=2

It has panto'ed chainrings, cranks, seatpost, stem and brake levers. Plus, before building up the frame, I had the all the lugs engraved, just like the fork crown and the drop-outs. I also had a cut-out made in the BB shell. While I agree that it is over the top, I don't believe it is gaudy.
That bike is very cool. I just wish it had a panto'ed part that said 'Shizzle' on it somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
That bike is very cool. I just wish it had a panto'ed part that said 'Shizzle' on it somewhere.
That can be arranged, maybe I'll get some shift levers done with shizzle
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Originally Posted by Citoyen du Monde
That can be arranged, maybe I'll get some shift levers done with shizzle
I'm in for a set!
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
banjo_mole,

Rest assured, Citoyen du Monde knows what he is talking about.

Only a young, punk kid who doesn't wear a helmet would question his expertise.
Now now, I was only questioning his expertise for-

I wasn't at all! I was just being a punk out of playfulness. I don't doubt he's completely right.
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Originally Posted by banjo_mole
Lotek, don't forget confente...
Actually Confente was not a big panto consumer. He did or had the rear dropouts milled, offered engraving the clients name on the stem, there are a few bikes with spade piercings of the shift levers, milled chainrings with spades beyond the bolt holes and brake levers with a series of spades but that's it. Considering the number of bikes he made and assembled, pretty rare indeed.
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How 'bout a pantographed Murray:

https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...1984+Olympics/
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Originally Posted by banjo_mole
Or they mailed the componets out
had them pantographed
mailed them back to the factory
packaged them
and mailed them off.

Hmm.
Or they shipped frames to the importer who sourced out the pantographing, caps, jerseys, saddles, and other bling, and packed it into an encased-in-styrofoam kit to dealers and consumers.

Who knows for sure?
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Originally Posted by oldbobcat
Or they shipped frames to the importer who sourced out the pantographing, caps, jerseys, saddles, and other bling, and packed it into an encased-in-styrofoam kit to dealers and consumers.

Who knows for sure?
The styrofoam box was shipped out of Italy...
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But not to my doorstep.
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