Bike Forums - paletti & schroder

Bike Forums (https://www.bikeforums.net/forum.php)

- Classic & Vintage (https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/)

- - paletti & schroder (https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/545394-paletti-schroder.html)

paletti & schroder - campy bikes

Hi guys.
I should be adding this to the craigslist scores,
but there is such little info on these,
and they are great bikes so worthy of there own thread...

First off i've been selling random junk on craigslist for a couple weeks now.
The down/up side is you end up finding more cool stuff!

This bike was on there for a long time,
it was described as a "campagnolo equipped 1973 schroder with ishiwata tubing, nuovo record, cinelli"
The price was kinda high, but he said it was in exceptional condition.

I had to see it.
One of my thoughts was using all the campy stuff and putting it on my '73 paramount frame,
and when you start adding up all the individual parts needed from ebay,
it was a great deal.

excuse the envy2-phone pics, i lost my camera somewhere...

I knew i was in trouble as soon as I saw it...
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...schroder01.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...schroder07.jpg
i love the lugs, really clean flow, neat to see the file marks too.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...schroder03.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...schroder04.jpg

The owner, steve, was a really nice guy.
You could tell he took care of this bike.
In 1972 he ordered this bike from a shop in marina del rey,
and in 1973 it was delivered.
The store sold him the custom ishiwata tubing cause a 531 frame would have taken another 6 months to get!
At the order-time Nuovo Record was top of the line,
of course Super Record was available the next year,
but I think the NR stuff is cooler anyway, especially when its dated '73.

Since the european paint wasn't too strong, (it was white)
he had "brian baylis" of san marcos paint it!
and since he was a frame builder, he had him braze on cable guides, shifter posts, front derailleur tab!
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...schroder02.jpg
I would have rather seen clamp-ons sure but It is so clean...
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...schroder05.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...schroder06.jpg
And who can complain with "record" campy hubs like these on perfect g40 rims!

It was unbelievable that a bike 36 years ago was in such great condition.
The test drive around the parking lot I probably had a smile from ear to ear.
I was embarassed to haggle with him,
but I offered $20 less than his asking price:rolleyes: cause I used it for gas, and he laughed but accepted.
If it had been any other frame, it woulda been double!

There were some mavic pedals,
but i'm checking out some period campy pedals,
i think it deserve to be complete, and I don't really like clips.
Also the hoods are all gooey, so i'll probably change the tape and hoods sooner or later,
maybe white though.

Anyway...

TP

A couple days later I was checking my mail.
Figured what the heck, clicked CL and an ad had just appeared.
"Paletti and woodruff frames - rare..." - too cheap
There were no wheels and one of the frames was stripped.

I called him and scheduled a meeting,
they were his brothers frames who was a racer and had just died in an auto accident.
Me and a friend rushed out there.
35 minutes into a 40 minute drive,
he calls up and says a bunch of people have called him,
offering more money alot more!
Since we were almost there, I asked him if we could at least see 'em.

Well I didn't take before pictures,
but imagine no wheels, no rear brake pads, an old rolls seat, no pedals and lotsa road grime.
I through this together just with parts lying around,
and the pedals from the schroder cause they matched better.

It was all 1980 super record stuff with 3ttt bars/stem.
but i'm still missing the front derailleur...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7.../paletti07.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7.../paletti06.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7.../paletti02.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7.../paletti09.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7.../paletti01.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7.../paletti04.jpg
matching shoes!
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7.../paletti08.jpg

Even with my beater wheel set,
this thing is a rocket, it weighs about 20-21 lbs on the bathroom scale, pretty good!

TP

I'd look to see if Woodrup is still building (I think they are). They may warranty that frame!

Out of curiosity, what is the BB threading on the Schroder? That thing has a close resemblance to a faux Rossin that I own (with English threading).

-Kurt

Never heard of either, but I like them both.

And I'm no frame builder, but I would guess the headtube would be as easy to replace as any. I'd find out before it went on the wall for good.

I'd like to see some sharper pics of the Schroder, when you find your camera: it looks like it might solve the mystery of a frameset with similar lugs that was posted to this forum years ago. Any other details about the shop in MdR: was it *built* there or were they just the middlemen?
And, I agree: check into how much a head tube replacement costs before calling the Woodrup a lost cause.
Great bike hunting!

The lower headlug cutout on the faux Rossin is notably larger then the Schroder, and the dropout treatment different:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/rossin_detail_4.jpg

http://www.jaysmarine.com/rossin_detail_15.jpg

http://www.jaysmarine.com/rossin_detail_14.jpg

That said, it does have an unusual similarity, regardless - especially in the way the seat stay caps are finished:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/rossin_detail_10.jpg

-Kurt

I was thinking of this frame:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...Moon_lug_1.jpg
but clearly there are many details that differ from the "Schroder".
Still, a custom building shop may have done any number of variations.
Adding to the mystery, here's a quote from the guy who put his name on that frame (from the CR list):
Lou,

I've also understood Schroeder frames were from Denmark. Here in SoCal
back in the 60's and 70's Henry Carstensen from Pops Bicycle Shop sold
them in Santa Ana, CA. Henry is Danish. He brought them in because they
were Danish frames.

Perhaps there is more than one brand with that name; possibly with
slightly different spelling or something?

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
this was over some dispute as to the spelling (Schroder or Schroeder) and the origination (Danish from Copenhagen or Lund, vs German from Bremen)

more info: Clearly this is a Danish Schrøder, assuming Mr. Baylis used the correct decals when he re-painted, cause here's a pic of one of their old track frames from Wayne Bingham who visited the shop and bought a modern frame from the builder:
I wonder if the fork (with that bulge-formed crown) on the OP's is a replacement. Sure looks like a Tange product

Woodrup Cycles is definitely still in business, and still does tons of framebuilding.

They will fix the head tube on that bike if you e-mail them about it, usually once or twice.

They do that do discrimitate against casual inquirers.

And the pound/dollar ratio will make it CHEAP.

thanks guys for all the interest!

Interestingly,
the SCHRODER frame uses ishiwata tubing and suntour dropouts, not sure of lug brand.
I was surprised that a danish shop would use all japanese products.

It would be fun to see the order form, or just the options available, when he bought it!
(original owner) steve said it had the same/similar schroder stickers on it in original paint too.
Another cool thing is he had the axle "pads" chromed!
I really like the feel of the bike, like a good distance bike should feel.

=====

The PALETTI bike has grown on me.
At first I thought it was corny looking,
but I'm appreciating the 80's race gaudiness that this era practiced.
The airbrush is really sharp on that white pearl, and the stickers are so brittle-true italian.

It would be really neat to finish this bike off proper,
i had never shifted a super record before, and man it is like butter (rear anyway),
so light and fast, responsive.
Its tricky to see but the rear wheel almost hits, well not really, the seatpost tube.
Its like the wheel is more underneath the seat.
The other HUGE difference is the low 10.5" high bottom bracket!
I was a little surprised pedaling on a turn when the pedal scraped!
Lotsa fun though especially on hills, so light too.

I'm going to do whatever I can now to keep these two,
actually craigslisted an old shelby cruiser and a high-wheeler I never rode to keep the money flow!

Thanks guys for all the interest,
i'll post or just swap out to better pics as soon as I find the camera!

TP

Kurt, i can't see any thread numbers easily to tell you about the bottom bracket...

oh yeah,
I sent an email/pics to woodrup will keep y'all posted
TP

Sweet. And as for Woodrup, if they don't reply in five days or a week, ask them again and tell 'em it's your second e-mail. That'll get their attention if nothing else. Usually if Tony doesn't see the e-mail I don't think anyone tells him.

Hello. I like your Paletti. Here is one I found at a Goodwill store. I don't know much about it, but I would like to get more information about it, or about Paletti in general.

Looking at all the Paletti bikes here, I post a pic of mine - I bought it in August for almost no money and took it completely apart to repaint the frame and rebuild it. ( a low cost project ) You should have a look at the Paletti ID help thread aswell, as there are some information there about these fine bikes. Yet, there is really little information on the Web. Ray Dobbins has a wonderful one on his page, and there is a marvellous full-chrome one I've seen on the german Rennrad-forum.