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Old 07-07-09, 07:56 PM
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Schwinn Paramount?

I know I'm prob wrong as I'm only going on the fact that the Schwinn frame I picked up at the scrap yard today ($10.00) came with a Schwinn Paramount bottle cage, I added all the other parts from a Peugeot Competition I had, (the Peugeot was to tall for me and had a crack in the frame) anyways the frame has forged, lugged drops, theres a sticker on the bottom of the seat tube labled "4130 chromoly Butted Frame Tubes" it may say "True Tempered" but I can't make it out due to spay paint, if there is any way I can tell if its a Paramount or not please let me know. =0) I know even if its a "Paramount" its not a "true" Paramount, I just need to know what model it is, it'll drive me nuts not knowing!

























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Not a Paramount. More likely a mid/late 80's Prelude, Tempo or Traveler. Good score. You'll do well on Philly CL.
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I'm thinking I'll keep this one, I built it useing parts from my Peugeot, and I really liked that Peugeot, I had it sold but the frame was bad and I couldn't sell it to anyone knowing the frame was bad, plus Philly C-List is doing as bad as most other places anyway.
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Those bottle cages came with Schwinn Paramount PDG Series bikes (Chinese Paramounts).
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Kendo?
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Those bottle cages came with Schwinn Paramount PDG Series bikes (Chinese Paramounts).
Fender1 is right, its a traveler, I used some Acitone on the top tube and sure enough its a Schwinn Traveler. Good call Fender! I'm going to do a bit of research but in the meanwhile can you guys let me know if the Traveler was/is a good bike? I picked it out of the junk pile at the scrap yard because it had forged drops.
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1987 Schwinn Traveler.

2 pages of brochure:
http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1...0/1987_09.html
http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1...0/1987_09.html

Spec Sheet:
http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1...0/1987_17.html
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I think it's an '87 Traveler in Cadet Blue. There should be four small, lightly stamped digits on the headbadge that represent the assembly date. The first three digits are the day of the year (001-366) and the fourth digit is the last digit of the year.

They're nice bikes with double-butted True Temper 4130 chromoly main tubes and forged dropouts. Weight for a bike with a 58cm frame was ~26 pounds.

1987 Schwinn road bike specs
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i think it's an '87 traveler in cadet blue. There should be four small, lightly stamped digits on the headbadge that represent the assembly date. The first three digits are the day of the year (001-366) and the fourth digit is the last digit of the year.

They're nice bikes with double-butted true temper 4130 chromoly main tubes and forged dropouts. Weight for a bike with a 58cm frame was ~26 pounds.

1987 schwinn road bike specs
1604, so then its a 1984 Schwinn traveler made on the 160th day of that year? Monday? June 18th? 1984?
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1604, so then its a 1984 Schwinn traveler made on the 160th day of that year? Monday? June 18th? 1984?
Yep; 160th day of '84.

That's clearly not right, so I'd have to guess that somewhere along the line the original headbadge disappeared, and this is a recycled replacement.
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Yep; 160th day of '84.

That's clearly not right, so I'd have to guess that somewhere along the line the original headbadge disappeared, and this is a recycled replacement.
OK, the headbadge may not be orig, but it is a Traveler! Here are a few pics of it after I used Acetone to remove the blue spray paint, it's not in the best shape but I've seen worse.










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I also picked up this cool "little" beast today!




























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That one isn't a Paramount either
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For the record, Paramounts of this era (or any that I'm aware of) were made in Japan and never 'Made in China'.
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The question of the first bike being a Paramount was answered, I just posted "aftet" pics of it for all to see and the second pics are of what I think to be an older Varsity, I know its not a Paramount.
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For the record, Paramounts of this era (or any that I'm aware of) were made in Japan and never 'Made in China'.
According to Richard Schwinn, the early nineties Series 5 and Series 7 Paramounts were built in Japan (by National/Panasonic), while the Series 2 and Series 3 Paramounts were first built on Taiwan, then later in mainland China.

From Richard Schwinn to Bob Hufford, July 2006

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your e-mail. I don't recall getting any e-mails before but I have this one now.

Greenville production: The serial numbers in Mississippi followed the rules from the Chicago facility - at least after the Chicago plant closed starting with a 2 digit date code followed with a 6 digit serial number. Perhaps there might have been another system when both Greenville and Chicago were open, though this was painfully brief.

Manufacturing allocation: My information is not too reliable, except with the following comments:

Paramounts were the only lug bikes built at the Chicago factory before 1977-78. Other lug bikes were built in Japan. Schwinn brought most of the lug bikes back to Chicago for '77-78 when it finally cranked up lug bike production. A few cheaper Taiwanese bikes under the World name (the original Arnold, Schwinn and Co. brand from the turn on the 20th century), becoming Schwinn's during the strike and the Chicago plant closedown.

Greenville got the lug brazing equipment from the Chicago facility and built lug frames. They added some upper-end TIG frames (aluminum in 1988 and steel in 1990).

The "Series" Paramounts mostly came from Japan, but the Series 2, 20, 3 and 30 came from Taiwan (A-Pro) and eventually China by 1992.

It's not the detail you want and there may be exceptions, but it's a place to start.

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For the record, Paramounts of this era (or any that I'm aware of) were made in Japan and never 'Made in China'.

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Celeste is blue, not green.
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