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Old 04-06-16, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by francophile
I don't have room and would only pay if it were less than half of the $199 asking, but given the LJS DO and QR on front/rear, thie Jeunet appears it could be a 630 or better.

Jeunet Franche Comte Bike-Vintage 1972- Original Owner

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Stem mounted shifters and chrome handlebars too.
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Any advice is appreciated; this one is NOT a budget buster:

Hiding under the "Unisex" label; I think this Schwinn woman's traveler, looks to be cerca 1983, is very nice, $99. Note; the tubes are one from headtube to the seat tube and then, separate after the seat tube; some manufacturers do this. To me, this looks like a very nice bike and Mixte (?) at that. Maybe it depends on how one defines Mixte but anyway.

Girls/Unisex 10 speed road bike Schwinn

We have an older, early 80s Schwinn Traveler bike for sale. It's been repainted, tuned up a bit and one of the girls got another bike so we need to sell it.

It shifts well. The brakes work fine. The tires were replaced about 10 years ago. The seat is newer. The wheels are pretty true but you could bring it to a shop for a "perfect " truing. They work fine for riding. The handle bar cushions are a little torn. It hasn't gotten much use so maybe you can ride it? Open to offers

wheels are 25"
height to seat post is 33"
height to top of seat 36 1/2"
What's up with the fork per the paint, it looks like it is tipped "white" not chrome and the ad does say the bike has been repainted. Anyway, I've been looking at this for a few days. I think the seller measurments are a bit confusing to read but it looks like a fairly good size for a Mixte, not small. Again, any advice would be wellcome.

This could be a 1982 with what were probably chrome tips: https://bikecatalogs.org/SCHWINN/1982...ts_Tourer.html , so weighing possibly over 30 lbs?

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Originally Posted by CuttersRidge
It doesn't mean anything to me one way or another but that front fork looks all chrome. I don't think they came that way.
Chrome fork is not atypical, even at the 620 level. I don't see Reynolds markings anywhere, so it's possible this is just a plain old 620, IIRC 630 and above are Reynolds. There are plenty of others out there w/chrome forks:

=> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...net-mixte.html
=> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ur-jeunet.html
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Originally Posted by francophile
Chrome fork is not atypical, even at the 620 level. I don't see Reynolds markings anywhere, so it's possible this is just a plain old 620, IIRC 630 and above are Reynolds. There are plenty of others out there w/chrome forks:

=> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...net-mixte.html
=> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ur-jeunet.html
You are right, this man's is probably the woman's counterpart on the Chicago CL now. This one with definitely forged dropouts which one can not see in the Atlanta Mixte. And most likely, those chrome handlebars again, so one sees those in various places.
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Here are 2 French or Belgian unique offerings, right now and both out of my budget:

Ginay, $500; this one seems to be Reynolds 531; the other one I was able to see on the net was more entry level at Velospace.
A Ficelle (seller for some reason calls it a Vicelle). $400:
One of those cases where the seller does not include a picture of the full frame.

Fairly good and rare offerings.

They have both sat there; could one shave $100 or $150 off and make an offer? Or is that low-balling; anyway, I'm not seriously into either but am keeping up.
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One of my favorite local shops has a couple of really nice consignment offerings right now, but this one looks especially nice. I just need to grow a little bit for it to fit me.



57cm 1970 Liotto ? Sellwood Cycle Repair
Wow. Drooling over this and it would fit me. If only I had the extra $$. Also, isn't it getting harder to replace the older Campy parts?

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This bike presents a fairly substantial value proposition.


De Rosa Primato 55cm Campagnolo Triple
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I just bought this bike at full pop. Can the forum experts please comment on the value?

Thank you very much in advance.


Vintage Cinelli {anniversary model**

Vintage Cinelli {anniversary model** - $2500 (Aliso Viejo,CA)




This sweet ride is all original parts. It has the gold fasteners...just lovely. And yes, it has lugs
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In the few photos of the Davidson fork, I don't see any welds, so I don't think it is a unicrown. Maybe Carbon Fiber?
Investment cast internal crown. Not exactly the same thing but you get the idea:
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Originally Posted by andy_k
one of my favorite local shops has a couple of really nice consignment offerings right now, but this one looks especially nice. I just need to grow a little bit for it to fit me.



57cm 1970 liotto ? Sellwood cycle repair
wow!
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Originally Posted by camelopardalis
I just bought this bike at full pop. Can the forum experts please comment on the value?

Thank you very much in advance.


Vintage Cinelli {anniversary model**

Vintage Cinelli {anniversary model** - $2500 (Aliso Viejo,CA)




This sweet ride is all original parts. It has the gold fasteners...just lovely. And yes, it has lugs
If he means Campagnolo 50th Anniversary - and from the "gold fasteners" line, he does - then it's incomplete. The rear derailleur, at a minimum, is a normal Campy Super Record, not the 50th Anniversary version.

You might open a separate thread with detailed pics. As it stands, if I were paying that much I'd be a little PO'd if it were billed as complete but wasn't. Also, pics make it hard to tell condition of the paint/chrome. Condition would be a consideration when assessing value, of course.

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
If he means Campagnolo 50th Anniversary - and from the "gold fasteners" line, he does - then it's incomplete. The rear derailleur, at a minimum, is a normal Campy Super Record, not the 50th Anniversary version.

You might open a separate thread with detailed pics. As it stands, if I were paying that much I'd be a little PO'd if it were billed as complete but wasn't. Also, pics make it hard to tell condition of the paint/chrome. Condition would be a consideration when assessing value, of course.

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Agreed - but even so, it's a Cinelli SC and probably worth it.
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
If he means Campagnolo 50th Anniversary - and from the "gold fasteners" line, he does - then it's incomplete. The rear derailleur, at a minimum, is a normal Campy Super Record, not the 50th Anniversary version.

You might open a separate thread with detailed pics. As it stands, if I were paying that much I'd be a little PO'd if it were billed as complete but wasn't. Also, pics make it hard to tell condition of the paint/chrome. Condition would be a consideration when assessing value, of course.

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I don't think the seller really knows and in this case it is clearly a buyer beware situation. The information is "anniversary edition" "some gold fasteners" and "lugs". that's pretty sparse.

I agree that with the lack of information and good photos an accurate valuation is not possible.
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Agreed - but even so, it's a Cinelli SC and probably worth it.
I agree, a Cinelli SC is worth some coin, but how much? Depends on age and components. Early SCs, even if having a bit of a mix, are going to hold a good value. Later, post-78 bikes, not so much.

I don't know if $2500 is too much, too little or just enough. But paying full-price and not getting full-50th...

Then again, the seller's ad is pretty darned vague. He may claim ignorance. The more I look at the tiny pics, the more it seems there are just a few gold-plated fixtures that aren't 50th Anniversary at all. But it's hard to tell. I really hope the OP posts some pics of this bike. Valuation would be much, much easier.

I'm not ruling out he got a deal. I'm just saying right now I'm not at all sure, from the pics provided, that I could even come close to an accurate number.

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
I agree, a Cinelli SC is worth some coin, but how much? Depends on age and components. . I really hope the OP posts some pics of this bike. Valuation would be much, much easier.

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The bike is virtually unused and is in excellent shape except for a paint chip on the seat tube the size of 1/2 of your little finger nail.
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That Ficelle used to have a full side view displaying the wrong fork and mishmash of non period correct components. That seller is local to my area. My guess is that some buyer came along and commented on the wrong fork and other mismatched parts and the add was updated accordingly (to not show). Something fishy there, and not the first malodorous post that I believe are from the same seller. My gut feel is that this is a local trash hauler trying to get max $'s out of what they don't tip.

Originally Posted by CuttersRidge
Here are 2 French or Belgian unique offerings, right now and both out of my budget:

Ginay, $500; this one seems to be Reynolds 531; the other one I was able to see on the net was more entry level at Velospace.


A Ficelle (seller for some reason calls it a Vicelle). $400:

One of those cases where the seller does not include a picture of the full frame.

Fairly good and rare offerings.

They have both sat there; could one shave $100 or $150 off and make an offer? Or is that low-balling; anyway, I'm not seriously into either but am keeping up.
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The bike is virtually unused and is in excellent shape except for a paint chip on the seat tube the size of 1/2 of your little finger nail.
Wow, that should clean up really nice. Do you know any of the history behind it? 1982/83 would have been around the 35th anniversary of the company so this may have been a commemorative edition that year. Based on what I am seeing I think the price seems fairly reasonable.
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The bike is virtually unused and is in excellent shape except for a paint chip on the seat tube the size of 1/2 of your little finger nail.
Oops - as I suspected, it has some gold-plated (hopefully gold - you never know) fasteners. Not Campagnolo 50th Anniversary components. I'm hoping that was not what you were expecting. I think the seller was probably confused and meant well when he described it as an "Anniversary model". It isn't - Cinelli never made such a bike to my knowledge.

That said, that's a beautiful bike. A tiny bit of surface rust flecking on the DS chainstay is the only flaw in the paint/chrome I can detect - and that's easily removed. Parts look in very nice shape, handlebars are leather-covered, hoods don't look like they need replacing. A fine machine. I'm guessing its serial number (should be on the underside of the BB shell) will help to assess the age, but I think it's after 1983 due to the lack of round holes in the lug points and front derailleur tab.

Price is hard to judge whether it was a good value for money. If it were true 50th Anniversary, I'd say it was close. The gold-plated fasteners, etc. shown here is another kettle of fish entirely. I'd say if you're happy and the seller is, too, then the valuation is spot on

Enjoy that beauty of a bike!

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Oops - as I suspected, it has some gold-plated (hopefully gold - you never know) fasteners. Not Campagnolo 50th Anniversary components. I'm hoping that was not what you were expecting. I think the seller was probably confused and meant well when he described it as an "Anniversary model". It isn't - Cinelli never made such a bike to my knowledge.

That said, that's a beautiful bike. A tiny bit of surface rust flecking on the DS chainstay is the only flaw in the paint/chrome I can detect - and that's easily removed. Parts look in very nice shape, handlebars are leather-covered, hoods don't look like they need replacing. A fine machine. I'm guessing its serial number (should be on the underside of the BB shell) will help to assess the age, but I think it's after 1983 due to the lack of round holes in the lug points and front derailleur tab.

Price is hard to judge whether it was a good value for money. If it were true 50th Anniversary, I'd say it was close. The gold-plated fasteners, etc. shown here is another kettle of fish entirely. I'd say if you're happy and the seller is, too, then the valuation is spot on

Enjoy that beauty of a bike!

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Well, indeed I was hoping that it was 50th anniversary Campy. Quite disappointing that it isn't. So the fasteners were simply gold plated? Or, worse, anodized?
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Originally Posted by camelopardalis
Well, indeed I was hoping that it was 50th anniversary Campy. Quite disappointing that it isn't. So the fasteners were simply gold plated? Or, worse, anodized?
Of course, from here it's impossible to know if the fittings are gold-plated or anodized. Seems to me, the Campy bits/bobs I've seen gold-plated were a lot shinier, but maybe yours will be with a quick polish. What's also a bit disappointing is that on bikes which had gold-plated Campy bits, a few more bits were plated: all the derailleur bolts/screws and the skewer ends, IIRC. I'm not seeing that here. Anyway, to some buyers, the gold-plated stuff like this is worth big bucks. I recall seeing a black Cinelli SC show bike outfitted with custom-black-anodized Campy parts with all the normally-chromed hardware gold-plated. Made for a stunning bike.

This, too, is stunning. I think the derailleurs might have been replaced if at some point this was a completely upgraded set. Are any bolts on the seatpost plated?

Still a wonderful bike - don't lose sight of that fact

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Of course, from here it's impossible to know if the fittings are gold-plated or anodized. Seems to me, the Campy bits/bobs I've seen gold-plated were a lot shinier, but maybe yours will be with a quick polish. What's also a bit disappointing is that on bikes which had gold-plated Campy bits, a few more bits were plated: all the derailleur bolts/screws and the skewer ends, IIRC. I'm not seeing that here. Anyway, to some buyers, the gold-plated stuff like this is worth big bucks. I recall seeing a black Cinelli SC show bike outfitted with custom-black-anodized Campy parts with all the normally-chromed hardware gold-plated. Made for a stunning bike.

This, too, is stunning. I think the derailleurs might have been replaced if at some point this was a completely upgraded set. Are any bolts on the seatpost plated?

Still a wonderful bike - don't lose sight of that fact

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The rear derailleur and the pedals that do not seem gold plated still has a "ghost" of gold color remaining. Must have faded over the years.

I gave a couple of gold bits a quick rub with metal polish and they shine like new. I can't wait until I give this bike a complete detail and tune up.

S.N. is 83525. I guess that means it was built in 1983?
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The rear derailleur and the pedals that do not seem gold plated still has a "ghost" of gold color remaining. Must have faded over the years.

I gave a couple of gold bits a quick rub with metal polish and they shine like new. I can't wait until I give this bike a complete detail and tune up.

S.N. is 83525. I guess that means it was built in 1983?
I think that ghost of color is just the layer of aged film. Once you clean it up it should shine. While it is not 50th anniversary parts, the gold plating is unique and I can't even detect a wrench part on them. In my opinion this increases their value though perhaps not as much as the 50th anniversary group, it's still very nice.
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The rear derailleur and the pedals that do not seem gold plated still has a "ghost" of gold color remaining. Must have faded over the years.

I gave a couple of gold bits a quick rub with metal polish and they shine like new. I can't wait until I give this bike a complete detail and tune up.

S.N. is 83525. I guess that means it was built in 1983?
I think that "ghost" stuff you're seeing is actually surface discoloration from the grease used in assembling the components (it will buff right off). Your parts have virtually no wear, either from use or abuse. Believe me, in normal use it would take a lifetime to wear the plating off.

SN quite possibly denotes 1983. Cinellis are sorta hard to assign build dates to, especially after the late-70s. I had one with an 83*** serial number, but all three lugs had round drillings and the fork crown was plain - no flying-C logo as is on yours. Some people guessed it could've been as early as 1980.

I'd just say it's around '83 to mid-80s. Later versions were built with Columbus SLX and had a little button with a flying-C logo on the top of the seatstay just above the hidden binder bolt. I'm not sure when that feature began, but I know they were there on the 1996 model (which also used the Cinelli "spoiler" BB shell).

I'm sure someone here may have a treasure trove of Cinelli serial number info. Or maybe not

As before, I suggest you open a separate thread dedicated to this uber-cool bike. Might get lots more hits. I sorta feel we're hijacking this one!

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As before, I suggest you open a separate thread dedicated to this uber-cool bike. Might get lots more hits. I sorta feel we're hijacking this one!
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I think you're right. I'll get the bike cleaned and polished and start a thread. Maybe in two or three days. Again, I thank everybody for their extremely valued opinion.
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The bike is virtually unused and is in excellent shape except for a paint chip on the seat tube the size of 1/2 of your little finger nail.
Either way, even if not a $2500 bike, it's a gorgeous bike. Congrats on your new ride.
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