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Old 11-20-18, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
It is something special! A Voyageur 11.8!



Ithink if you look close it may have the old "button?" style headbadge well before the star later version, or not, what do I know.
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The badge on the repainted $200 Voyageur 11.8 matches the era. The red has been worn off in spots, but it still shows. I have presented enough evidence and I rest my case. Time to get this thing back on track with some actual Paramounts!

1967 Paramount track frameset. Humorous last line.



1971 P10 - 61cm / 24" in Kool Lemon. Very nice.

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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
Voyageur 11.8s got steep as they went taller, like the SLT 12.2s (I had a 1977 25" in all chrome). Fork does not look bent--angle is as normal as any number of steel frames we've seen. Fork crown matches, as do the head lugs. The SLTs had a center point crown lug/blade interface. The headbadge matches my former SLT 12.2 for the era, and the head lugs are only for these two bikes during this time--this must be realized. Not a lot makes 'mainstream sense' in Schwinn land regarding these two models. The very late '70s into the very early '80s saw some interesting and short-lived offerings and other events for Schwinn. The 11.8s and 12.2s were some of them.
RoS, did you happen to measure the angles of your 77 SLT?

I've always been curious about mine but there is frustratingly little information out there about the geometry.
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
The badge on the repainted $200 Voyageur 11.8 matches the era. The red has been worn off in spots, but it still shows. I have presented enough evidence and I rest my case. Time to get this thing back on track with some actual Paramounts!

1967 Paramount track frameset. Humorous last line.



1971 P10 - 61cm / 24" in Kool Lemon. Very nice.

Ok, that settles it, ROS has spoken.

The track frame is fun if nothing else, the other one is a fine deal that you could probably get for less. You should get it to fill the spot the other one left when you changed it's spots.
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Originally Posted by abshipp
RoS, did you happen to measure the angles of your 77 SLT?

I've always been curious about mine but there is frustratingly little information out there about the geometry.
I did! 74° HT and 74° ST with a 57.5cm TT (measured CTC). 25" / 63.5cm frame size. 70mm BB drop, measured. Calculated fork rake of 49mm with a calculated trail of 46mm (give or take a mm or two). Apart from the Paramount, it took Schwinn a while--into the '80s--to release really any geometry information on lesser bikes. Often, it was just a 58cm frame that they would give seat tube angle, head tube angle, and wheelbase information on. Well, that and frame size which was always a CTT measurement.
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There is a very nice 63.5 cm Paramount 50th anniversary (not the special edition) in the Denver craig's list. The frame has been cold set to 130mm.
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/...751404506.html



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Originally Posted by GailT
There is a very nice 63.5 cm Paramount 50th anniversary (not the special edition) in the Denver craig's list. The frame has been cold set to 130mm.
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/...751404506.html



Very nice, this one could get me to the (more) modern era.
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3 unique vintage road bikes. In working order. Restore or use for parts.

Humber Versaile - have never seen a Humber Road bikes

Dawes Atlantis - super light. High end parts.

Trek 2100 - carbon and aluminum frame. Carbon intact.

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Originally Posted by GailT
There is a very nice 63.5 cm Paramount 50th anniversary (not the special edition) in the Denver craig's list. The frame has been cold set to 130mm.
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/...751404506.html



Wow. That is beautiful! Love the blue, and of course the fact that it's a 63.5cm frame as opposed to the 62cm one I'm selling (as it's too small). And for $300? I'd say that's a really great deal. Per the "what's your secret" thread, just because it's a (really) good deal doesn't mean it needs to be my good deal. I think I'll hold out for a '70s P13 frameset. Though if you rode my '74 P15, it would be quick to assert its litheness. I need to get back on my Masi--it's been too long.
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This one is a mile down the road from me, I'm tempted, but I don't really have time to ride the bikes I already have, so it would probably sit in my garage until I retire. I have a Waterford that I bought a year ago that I love, so if I bought another frame it would be for the fun of building it up and the experience of riding a different geometry bike. Do you know what size tires will fit the Paramount 50th frame? The seller was using 23c tires and didn't think it would fit much larger than that.


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Wow. That is beautiful! Love the blue, and of course the fact that it's a 63.5cm frame as opposed to the 62cm one I'm selling (as it's too small). And for $300? I'd say that's a really great deal. Per the "what's your secret" thread, just because it's a (really) good deal doesn't mean it needs to be my good deal. I think I'll hold out for a '70s P13 frameset. Though if you rode my '74 P15, it would be quick to assert its litheness. I need to get back on my Masi--it's been too long.
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Originally Posted by GailT
This one is a mile down the road from me, I'm tempted, but I don't really have time to ride the bikes I already have, so it would probably sit in my garage until I retire. I have a Waterford that I bought a year ago that I love, so if I bought another frame it would be for the fun of building it up and the experience of riding a different geometry bike. Do you know what size tires will fit the Paramount 50th frame? The seller was using 23c tires and didn't think it would fit much larger than that.
Interesting. Its about a mile from me as well.

It's one size too big and a bit redundant with others that I have, so I haven't bothered to pursue it.
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
I need to get back on my Masi--it's been too long.
I resemble that remark.
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
I did! 74° HT and 74° ST with a 57.5cm TT (measured CTC). 25" / 63.5cm frame size. 70mm BB drop, measured. Calculated fork rake of 49mm with a calculated trail of 46mm (give or take a mm or two). Apart from the Paramount, it took Schwinn a while--into the '80s--to release really any geometry information on lesser bikes. Often, it was just a 58cm frame that they would give seat tube angle, head tube angle, and wheelbase information on. Well, that and frame size which was always a CTT measurement.
Hmm, that is very interesting.

I had no idea that the angles got that steep, I suppose I just always assumed it was something around 73° square. Kind of explains my issues with saddle setback on this thing.

Makes me wonder about potential fork swapping options to get the trail down into the high-30s and throw a front bag on there. But I keep trying to remind myself that this bike is a wet noodle laterally with any additional weight on the front of it

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by abshipp
Hmm, that is very interesting.

I had no idea that the angles got that steep, I suppose I just always assumed it was something around 73° square. Kind of explains my issues with saddle setback on this thing.

Makes me wonder about potential fork swapping options to get the trail down into the high-30s and throw a front bag on there. But I keep trying to remind myself that this bike is a wet noodle laterally with any additional weight on the front of it

Thanks!
Yeah, the saddle setback was an issue for me as well, and tends to be with 74° ST's. My SLT never felt like a wet noodle, thankfully. If you find a fork with a 2.75" rake or so, I think that should get you into the 30s for trail. Likely plenty of 70s bikes that would accommodate that request. Or you could have your existing and matching fork re-raked I suppose.
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Originally Posted by GailT
This one is a mile down the road from me, I'm tempted, but I don't really have time to ride the bikes I already have, so it would probably sit in my garage until I retire. I have a Waterford that I bought a year ago that I love, so if I bought another frame it would be for the fun of building it up and the experience of riding a different geometry bike. Do you know what size tires will fit the Paramount 50th frame? The seller was using 23c tires and didn't think it would fit much larger than that.
Wow, that's close! Waterford frames, at least from '84/'85 through the end of the decade (non-oversized tubed models as OS came in around 1990) are all the same geometrically. I have found with my '85 that I have to set the brake calipers' pads at max lowest or near lowest position. I've run 25mm tires without issue. The fork crown and rear brake bridge will clear 28mm tires or better, but it's down to the chain stays which don't provide much room. I'd have to check when I get home to see if 28s fit in there. There is certainly enough chain stay length to accommodate.
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I resemble that remark.
I took the 10-speed downtube shifters off of it and installed them on my Prologue. The 8-speed 7400 DA hubs on the Masi don't like 9 speed cassettes due to how the freehub body splines terminate, so it's either an 8-speed or 10-speed cassette that goes on it. A 9-speed will work with a 1mm spacer, oddly, but after having an 11-28T 10-speed cassette on there, anything less in cog count or cog size (like, say, a 12-27T or narrower) feels wrong. She is a regal bike and deserves the full road ratio range (53/39 up front, 11-28T out back). So I found a great deal on some 10-speed downtube shifters and have just received them. She will be whole again!
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Paramount Tourist Conversion?
I'm looking for a Paramount Tourist but not sure if this is the one.
https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/bi...751242847.html

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OBO Paramount....Needs a lot of work but seller accepts offer. Not sure why pic wont upload....
https://norfolk.craigslist.org/bik/d...751338768.html
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Paramount Tourist Conversion?
I'm looking for a Paramount Tourist but not sure if this is the one.
https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/bi...751242847.html

Ad says "4 speed special order" maybe so but looks like it was probably dealer done.

Not a classic Tourist, Nervex pro lugs came to these in 59, livery is mid 60's or later, it and paint maybe not original.

Factory tourist would probably have chainguard mounts and not Campy rear dropouts, bars and stem interesting, very cool and could be original.

S/N would tell us the key thing we need to know = date made, looks like it may be a short one, earlier if so.

FWIW Bob Freeman, PNW resto and all else guru restored a classic Pmount tourist and said never again, crappiest one's ever.

Also, that crank in original state would have come on this if it was a "Disneyland" or earlier, may have been used for the 4 speed conversion with the single ring.

And what looks to be a Schwinn bolt on factory kickstand is interesting, that should be a clue as well.

Lots of anomalies here "veeerrryy interesting".

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This Campee rack showed up on Portland, OR Craigslist only a day or two after I purchased one, also on CL, for quite a bit more (including shipping.)

Oh well. I think I still got a good deal at $180 total cost for mine, but I think someone would do even better if they could pick up on this one..,

That is, assuming it’s the same size I needed. So I’d be sure to check in which model it is first though for tire/rim sizing.

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OBO Paramount....Needs a lot of work but seller accepts offer. Not sure why pic wont upload....
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Make an educated offer? Get real. Put an educated price on it, and maybe you'd get a reasonable offer.
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Make an educated offer? Get real. Put an educated price on it, and maybe you'd get a reasonable offer.
Agreed, while the base bicycle here is what it is, there is an excess of wackiness, kludging going on here, I'd be surprised if the dropout hanger is still completely unscathed.

Combine that with the overall very poor, dirty, grungy condition, the ask is very ambitious to say the least.

A reality check is in order here.

I bid $200
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