merziac

Ithink if you look close it may have the old "button?" style headbadge well before the star later version, or not, what do I know.

RiddleOfSteel

The badge on the repainted $200 Voyageur 11.8 matches the era. The red has been worn off in spots, but it still shows. I have presented enough evidence and I rest my case. Time to get this thing back on track with some actual Paramounts!

1967 Paramount track frameset. Humorous last line.



1971 P10 - 61cm / 24" in Kool Lemon. Very nice.

abshipp 

RoS, did you happen to measure the angles of your 77 SLT?

I've always been curious about mine but there is frustratingly little information out there about the geometry.

merziac

Ok, that settles it, ROS has spoken.

The track frame is fun if nothing else, the other one is a fine deal that you could probably get for less. You should get it to fill the spot the other one left when you changed it's spots.

RiddleOfSteel

I did! 74° HT and 74° ST with a 57.5cm TT (measured CTC). 25" / 63.5cm frame size. 70mm BB drop, measured. Calculated fork rake of 49mm with a calculated trail of 46mm (give or take a mm or two). Apart from the Paramount, it took Schwinn a while--into the '80s--to release really any geometry information on lesser bikes. Often, it was just a 58cm frame that they would give seat tube angle, head tube angle, and wheelbase information on. Well, that and frame size which was always a CTT measurement.

GailT

There is a very nice 63.5 cm Paramount 50th anniversary (not the special edition) in the Denver craig's list. The frame has been cold set to 130mm.
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/...751404506.html

merziac

Very nice, this one could get me to the (more) modern era.

vintagerando

3 unique vintage road bikes. In working order. Restore or use for parts.

Humber Versaile - have never seen a Humber Road bikes

Dawes Atlantis - super light. High end parts.

Trek 2100 - carbon and aluminum frame. Carbon intact.

https://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/...753656847.html

RiddleOfSteel

Wow. That is beautiful! Love the blue, and of course the fact that it's a 63.5cm frame as opposed to the 62cm one I'm selling (as it's too small). And for $300? I'd say that's a really great deal. Per the "what's your secret" thread, just because it's a (really) good deal doesn't mean it needs to be my good deal. I think I'll hold out for a '70s P13 frameset. Though if you rode my '74 P15, it would be quick to assert its litheness. I need to get back on my Masi--it's been too long.

GailT

This one is a mile down the road from me, I'm tempted, but I don't really have time to ride the bikes I already have, so it would probably sit in my garage until I retire. I have a Waterford that I bought a year ago that I love, so if I bought another frame it would be for the fun of building it up and the experience of riding a different geometry bike. Do you know what size tires will fit the Paramount 50th frame? The seller was using 23c tires and didn't think it would fit much larger than that.

CO_Hoya 

Interesting. Its about a mile from me as well.

It's one size too big and a bit redundant with others that I have, so I haven't bothered to pursue it.

Mr. 66

abshipp 

Hmm, that is very interesting.

I had no idea that the angles got that steep, I suppose I just always assumed it was something around 73° square. Kind of explains my issues with saddle setback on this thing.

Makes me wonder about potential fork swapping options to get the trail down into the high-30s and throw a front bag on there. But I keep trying to remind myself that this bike is a wet noodle laterally with any additional weight on the front of it

Thanks!

RiddleOfSteel

Yeah, the saddle setback was an issue for me as well, and tends to be with 74° ST's. My SLT never felt like a wet noodle, thankfully. If you find a fork with a 2.75" rake or so, I think that should get you into the 30s for trail. Likely plenty of 70s bikes that would accommodate that request. Or you could have your existing and matching fork re-raked I suppose.

RiddleOfSteel

Wow, that's close! Waterford frames, at least from '84/'85 through the end of the decade (non-oversized tubed models as OS came in around 1990) are all the same geometrically. I have found with my '85 that I have to set the brake calipers' pads at max lowest or near lowest position. I've run 25mm tires without issue. The fork crown and rear brake bridge will clear 28mm tires or better, but it's down to the chain stays which don't provide much room. I'd have to check when I get home to see if 28s fit in there. There is certainly enough chain stay length to accommodate.

RiddleOfSteel

I took the 10-speed downtube shifters off of it and installed them on my Prologue. The 8-speed 7400 DA hubs on the Masi don't like 9 speed cassettes due to how the freehub body splines terminate, so it's either an 8-speed or 10-speed cassette that goes on it. A 9-speed will work with a 1mm spacer, oddly, but after having an 11-28T 10-speed cassette on there, anything less in cog count or cog size (like, say, a 12-27T or narrower) feels wrong. She is a regal bike and deserves the full road ratio range (53/39 up front, 11-28T out back). So I found a great deal on some 10-speed downtube shifters and have just received them. She will be whole again!

cqlink 

Paramount Tourist Conversion?
I'm looking for a Paramount Tourist but not sure if this is the one.
https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/bi...751242847.html

Vintage_Cyclist

Park PCS-10 Repair Stand - $80 - Sunnyside, NYC

cqlink 

OBO Paramount....Needs a lot of work but seller accepts offer. Not sure why pic wont upload....
https://norfolk.craigslist.org/bik/d...751338768.html

cqlink 

Chrome 11.8 $325
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/...730543149.html

merziac

Ad says "4 speed special order" maybe so but looks like it was probably dealer done.

Not a classic Tourist, Nervex pro lugs came to these in 59, livery is mid 60's or later, it and paint maybe not original.

Factory tourist would probably have chainguard mounts and not Campy rear dropouts, bars and stem interesting, very cool and could be original.

S/N would tell us the key thing we need to know = date made, looks like it may be a short one, earlier if so.

FWIW Bob Freeman, PNW resto and all else guru restored a classic Pmount tourist and said never again, crappiest one's ever.

Also, that crank in original state would have come on this if it was a "Disneyland" or earlier, may have been used for the 4 speed conversion with the single ring.

And what looks to be a Schwinn bolt on factory kickstand is interesting, that should be a clue as well.

Lots of anomalies here "veeerrryy interesting".

deux jambes

nesteel 

Make an educated offer? Get real. Put an educated price on it, and maybe you'd get a reasonable offer.

merziac

Agreed, while the base bicycle here is what it is, there is an excess of wackiness, kludging going on here, I'd be surprised if the dropout hanger is still completely unscathed.

Combine that with the overall very poor, dirty, grungy condition, the ask is very ambitious to say the least.

A reality check is in order here.

I bid $200

RiddleOfSteel

56cm Centurion Pro Tour 15 frameset - $125! Lovely example.