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Old 07-31-12, 01:14 PM
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I have no idea if this is a good deal or what this is worth, but it seems cool to me:

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[h=2]Prewar Mead Ranger antique bicycle - $350 (Jenkintown)[/h][HR][/HR]Date: 2012-07-31, 3:27PM EDT
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Vintage antique Mead Ranger wood rim bicycle, takes pneumatic tires. Original paint. Wheels have been rebuilt with new stainless steel spokes and modern tubular tires. I have the original tires and rear fender and will include those in the sale. New Departure coaster brake, Leather spring saddle. Mead Ranger head badge. Early teens or twenties, I think. What you see in photos is what's included. Priced to sell quickly. If ad is shown, bike is available. Too many projects. $325 or best offer.




















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Thanks to all for the help. Hopefully the Raleigh is still available, emailed a few hours ago.
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I'm trying to buy that Mead Ranger, but seller doesn't want to ship it.

Anyone interested in facilitating this for me ????

Please let me know.....!!!!!

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$84 Raleigh Gran Sport in NJ with some unfortunate parts

https://southjersey.craigslist.org/bik/3173566842.html

Raleigh 10 Speed Bike - 1973 Grand Sports Made in England 61cm - $84 (Collingswood, NJ 08108 )

Complete bike Rides SOOO Greatttt!!!!!! Super Light No defects

Some parts have been swapped. Velo seat, Shimano Tiagra,

Weinmann 610 Vainqueur 999 Center Pull Brakes, Shimano rims. Specialized Armadillo. Tektro Brake Levers.Bike is very good overall condition no cracks bends or dents.

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Dream tourer...
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[h=2]j.p.weigle - $1800 (south shore)[/h] [HR][/HR] Date: 2012-07-31, 5:32PM EDT
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1984 handmade bike by peter weigle.24.5" large frame campy everthing,mavic rims campy hubs,24 speed,these bikes are not often for sale and there is a waiting list for new ones.I will show bike on appt only,please leave phone # I will not respond to email.





















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Originally Posted by JPZ66
I'm trying to buy that Mead Ranger, but seller doesn't want to ship it.

Anyone interested in facilitating this for me ????

Please let me know.....!!!!!

Thanks- Joe
Jenkintown isn't that far...I can possibly assist.

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[h=2]1982 Miyata 610 Burgundy - $450 (North Cambridge)[/h] [HR][/HR] Date: 2012-07-31, 11:06PM EDT
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Totally decked out Miyata setup with quality steel frame. Perfect for touring or just putting around town. It's a very forgiving ride and isn't as jarring as the new fancy aluminum frame bikes.


8 speed cassette
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Mavic 700c wheels w/ Shimano Sora hubs
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[h=2]Vintage Cannondale Racing - $300 (Cambridge)[/h] [HR][/HR] Date: 2012-08-01, 10:05AM EDT
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Great, ready to ride, road racing bike, from the late 80s! Cannondale bike, shimano components, steel frame and new Look clip pedals.

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Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/3176094983.html
1982 Miyata 610 Burgundy - $450 (North Cambridge)

[HR][/HR] Date: 2012-07-31, 11:06PM EDT
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Totally decked out Miyata setup with quality steel frame. Perfect for touring or just putting around town. It's a very forgiving ride and isn't as jarring as the new fancy aluminum frame bikes.


8 speed cassette
Rear rack
Fenders
Suntour frame shifters
Nitto noodle bar
Sugino 48/34 crank
Tektro brake levers
Tektro long reach breaks
Mavic 700c wheels w/ Shimano Sora hubs
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No where near worth $450, the bike has had most if not all the original components removed and replaced with inferior components, plus by removing the original components it destroyed the vintage value of it. I'm sure some sucker will buy it because they won't know their bikes and think their getting something vintage.
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[h=2]Cannondale SR600 Road Bike - $175 (Pembroke)[/h] [HR][/HR] Date: 2012-08-01, 1:32PM EDT
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Great beginner alumnium frame road bike. Includes computer and seat bag.




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No where near worth $450, the bike has had most if not all the original components removed and replaced with inferior components, plus by removing the original components it destroyed the vintage value of it. I'm sure some sucker will buy it because they won't know their bikes and think their getting something vintage.
'Worth' is in the eye of the beholder, but I would not say the new (ish) Tektro aero levers and calipers were 'inferior,' certainly not the pricey Nitto 'Noodle' bar, and the shifters look like Suntour 'Power Ratchets' which if they were not original are certainly period-accurate and great. 8-sp rear is an upgrade (would the original RD handle that in friction?) fenders are an upgrade, Brooks is a major upgrade. From the logos this is an earlier 80s Miyata, and the 610 is a midrange bike, no one's Grail, so hard to see how there is any vintage value being 'destroyed.' On the contrary it looks to me like a nicely thought out update and upgrade. $450 is probably a reasonable price in that market for the exact right rider.
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'Worth' is in the eye of the beholder, but I would not say the new (ish) Tektro aero levers and calipers were 'inferior,' certainly not the pricey Nitto 'Noodle' bar, and the shifters look like Suntour 'Power Ratchets' which if they were not original are certainly period-accurate and great. 8-sp rear is an upgrade (would the original RD handle that in friction?) fenders are an upgrade, Brooks is a major upgrade. From the logos this is an earlier 80s Miyata, and the 610 is a midrange bike, no one's Grail, so hard to see how there is any vintage value being 'destroyed.' On the contrary it looks to me like a nicely thought out update and upgrade. $450 is probably a reasonable price in that market for the exact right rider.
I disagree, due to the butchery of the bike it's worth maybe $100 for the frame and fork, the only items that I can tell that are truly vintage, the rest of the junk is, well junk. I deal with classic cars all the time and even have a small collection and have a friend who has a large collection. In a classic or vintage market no one is going to pay top dollar for a 69 GTO with V-6 engine transplant! I don't care if that V-6 puts out 500 horsepower and made by the best engine builder in the world, the car was butchered. Believe me I've seen my share of butchered cars and they don't get even close to top dollar.

Bikes are the same way, that bike was butchered, it's no longer a OEM bike. Now if they had put on top flight vintage components like 100% Suntour Superbe group then the bike would be worth more, even if they would have put on top of the line modern Dura Ace then maybe, but not with mid to low end modern junk.

That's just my opinion. I've seen many vintage bikes that went for that same price range that had OEM stuff on it still, that bike in my opinion is way over priced.
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While I agree that it is likely overpriced (but not by too much in this market), I think the rest of your post relating to vintage bikes is just drivel.

I see lots of nice upgrades that make this bike a much nicer and more functional rider. The 610 is FAR from a collectible that would benefit from remaining 100% stock. Bar end shifters would make it more desirable, but they can be had for pretty cheap if you prefer them over dt shifters (I don't).

Since it's local to me I should note that I have no relation to the seller, no dog in the fight.

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I disagree, due to the butchery of the bike it's worth maybe $100 for the frame and fork, the only items that I can tell that are truly vintage, the rest of the junk is, well junk. I deal with classic cars all the time and even have a small collection and have a friend who has a large collection. In a classic or vintage market no one is going to pay top dollar for a 69 GTO with V-6 engine transplant! I don't care if that V-6 puts out 500 horsepower and made by the best engine builder in the world, the car was butchered. Believe me I've seen y cheamy share of butchered cars and they don't get even close to top dollar.

Bikes are the same way, that bike was butchered, it's no longer a OEM bike. Now if they had put on top flight vintage components like 100% Suntour Superbe group then the bike would be worth more, even if they would have put on top of the line modern Dura Ace then maybe, but not with mid to low end modern junk.

That's just my opinion. I've seen many vintage bikes that went for that same price range that had OEM stuff on it still, that bike in my opinion is way over priced.
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Originally Posted by 4Rings6Stars
While I agree that it is likely overpriced (but not by too much in this market), I think the rest of your post relating to vintage bikes is just drivel.

I see lots of nice upgrades that make this bike a much nicer and more functional rider. The 610 is FAR from a collectible that would benefit from remaining 100% stock. Bar end shifters would make it more desirable, but they can be had for pretty cheap if you prefer them over dt shifters (I don't).

Since it's local to me I should note that I have no relation to the seller, no dog in the fight.
Agreed, I tend to "upgrade" my most regularly used bikes with many of the same parts that Miyata has on it. I guess I've been building junk
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I suppose "vintage value" depends on whether a bike is going to be ridden, or hung on the wall/sitting in a garage. Nothing wrong with either of these things, but a good steel ride can be rebuilt and enjoyed without shame. Those of us who have mint bikes that are completely stock may end up not riding them. Other than the joy of ownership.... it feels contrary to the spirit of riding.

Consider also that many "vintage" bikes were rebuilt long before they became "vintage," while they were in regular use, so complaining about different parts on an old bike seems a bit odd. Complaining about the price is another matter entirely
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Originally Posted by 4Rings6Stars
While I agree that it is likely overpriced (but not by too much in this market), I think the rest of your post relating to vintage bikes is just drivel.

I see lots of nice upgrades that make this bike a much nicer and more functional rider. The 610 is FAR from a collectible that would benefit from remaining 100% stock. Bar end shifters would make it more desirable, but they can be had for pretty cheap if you prefer them over dt shifters (I don't).

Since it's local to me I should note that I have no relation to the seller, no dog in the fight.
+2 - those are rider upgrades on a pretty solid bike best suited to being a rider. I'd even say it's a little better than mid-range...Miyata made good frames and that Tektro stuff works GREAT. The levers are fantastic and the dual pivots are terrific. It might be a little high, but those changes make the bike more desirable to someone looking for a quality bike to RIDE, and has been already said, it's not really a collector piece anyway. It has racks, fenders and a Brooks - so to me that's $200 of price premiums, minimum, right there.
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+1. Overpriced, but reasonably nice upgrades. I'm generally an advocate for originality, but this Miyata doesn't have a lot of collectible value, even if NOS. It's a nice utilitarian bike, and set up as such.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
+2 - those are rider upgrades on a pretty solid bike best suited to being a rider. I'd even say it's a little better than mid-range...Miyata made good frames and that Tektro stuff works GREAT. The levers are fantastic and the dual pivots are terrific. It might be a little high, but those changes make the bike more desirable to someone looking for a quality bike to RIDE, and has been already said, it's not really a collector piece anyway. It has racks, fenders and a Brooks - so to me that's $200 of price premiums, minimum, right there.
+3 Some people RIDE bikes -not simply hang them on walls to be adored over a glass of $100 wine.

You could buy a similar bike new from Rivendell for 4 times the price -or a build "kit" from VO for 3x and still need to put a geartrain on it to get it on the road. Buying a used Rivendell, VO, or other similar bike used will be very hard in this price range.

It is not a "collector's fetish object" it's a rider made to be ridden and for putting miles on every day. It's a bike that you could churn out centuries on or even a brevet or two. The frame is pretty nice and the build is fairly sweet component-wise. (although I think that the rear fender needs a little work. Dude who hung that needs a bit of instruction there) Price-wise it is not quite a super deal but considering what it is made of not horrible. You couldn't build this bike for that price with new parts. But you might be able to piece something similar together for about $100 less if you were a good shopper on CL or got lucky on a similar bike & parts. Or maybe you have the bits in your garage waiting to create a similar bike on a sweet vintage frame.

Not a collector/fetish object -but looks like it would be a nice rider. I'd have to re-do that rear fender before I could be happy with it myself though.
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Not a collector/fetish object -but looks like it would be a nice rider. I'd have to re-do that rear fender before I could be happy with it myself though.
That first sentence ought to be an all-purpose C&V phrase, so generally used we abbreviate it to NACFO-BLLIWBANR. Okay, maybe that's a bit much, but NACFO has a certain ring to it. Anyone who understands TANSTAAFL will get it.

The second sentence is also one about 99% of C&Vers will empathize with, whether about the fender line, bar tape choice, tires, there's always something that needs attention.

Of course there are bikes that really are best left original, and as the current 'Pure' thread shows, we have different ideas about where to draw that line. I have a Centurion Turbo that is original down to the faded cloth bar tape; I'm going to sell it and hope some buyer thinks that's pretty cool. If this nice but midrange Miyata was 100% mint original, that would have an appeal to someone, somewhere, but it's not likely there would be a bidding war between two buyers who just had to have it.
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LOL-ROFLMAO! I'll have to start using NACFO-BILLIWBANR here and on other bike forums

We'll see what happens when I do that. TANSTAAFL -RAH RAH RAH!
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LOL-ROFLMAO! I'll have to start using NACFO-BILLIWBANR here and on other bike forums

We'll see what happens when I do that. TANSTAAFL -RAH RAH RAH!
You know - these last few posts have really crystallized how strongly I feel about Tektro. They make great products that work at prices that are easily accessible. They also have an aesthetic I like. Three cheers for Tektro!
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I thought this particular thread was mostly about sharing CL ads to members who otherwise might not see them. I see some, shall we say, "interesting" opinions in some recent posts....My opinion as to this thread is you copy the CL post on here and let people judge for themselves what the "value" of an item is. Why? Because we all have our own thought and opinions as to something's worth. If one wishes to solicite opinions on the relative value (perceived or otherwise), there is a thread for that too. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but since I'm on the subject, whether or not the price is good or bad should mostly be determined by what the potentional buyer thinks anyway. If it is what you want and is within your means, or you just have to have it, and can afford it, well then, I guess the price is right. One should not look at bicycles as an investment for many reasons ! Do your homework, search the 'net, the auction sites, the resellers and retailers and make your own determination. In the case of the Mead Ranger I just bought, I'm sure some people wouldn't give a dime for that bike, seeing it as some impractical oddity that has little or no use or value, while others would perhaps pay twice the asking price. Ok, I'm sure you see my point, so how about we just share the CL ads that we think might be of interest to our fellow BF members and save the price/value conjecture for the proper thread......stepping off my soapbox now.....hope I did not offend.....

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When I upgraded from Tiagra to 105 in black on the Raleigh I didn't bother dropping a ton of cash with the 105 brakes as well. I liked the Tektro levers so much that I tried the calipers (in black also.) With the black frame I really like the black look of the 105 derailleur and the Tektro brakes fit right into the group quite well. With the Kool-Stop dura holders (in silver -which looks really nice on the alloy rim in contrast to the black calipers) they stop VERY well. I can't tell the difference between the Tektros and the Shimano. They are basically the same thing. And it is the pads that do all the work anyhow.
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