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Old 08-09-09, 09:11 PM
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Questions About An Old Schwinn Sports Tourer

My wife just found one today, fillet brazed, 1971, I think, haven't looked at the serial number, been too busy.

Anyway, it has a Campagnolo RD, missing the FD, but has a Dura Ace crank set. Is this normal? I know the RD is, but the crank set? Dura Ace?

I'll try to take pics tomorrow, but this is flipper time in college town, so forgive me the lack o'photos for a day or so. I am working in the garage more than I like to.

Is this something I should try to flip for maximum profit, or strip, or see if a member wants it?


Beuller? Pastor Bob? (too small for you, Rev)
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It's a very nice bike. The '71 came with the infamous Campy Gran Turismo RD which was changed in either '72 or '73 to the Shimano Crane rebadged as a Schwinn-Approved LeTour GT-300 (which was much better than the Gran Turismo). Somebody replaced the crankset if it has Dura Ace on it (the D-A would be an upgrade from the OEM crank).

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Thanks, Stan.

I figured the DA cranks were an upgrade. It also has Suntour barcons on it.

I'll try to take pictures tomorrow if the rain stops.
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy View Post
Thanks, Stan.

I figured the DA cranks were an upgrade. It also has Suntour barcons on it.

I'll try to take pictures tomorrow if the rain stops.
My latest project is a '73 Super Sport which has the same fillet-brazed straight gauge chromoly frame as the Sports Tourer. I'm putting an obscene amout of money into it, but don't plan to ever sell it so I'm not worried about recovering my investment.

I should have it built up in a couple of weeks and will post some pictures.
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The barcons were an option, but maybe not that early. The stock ones might have been stamped Schwinn Approved rather than Suntour.
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post
My latest project is a '73 Super Sport which has the same fillet-brazed straight gauge chromoly frame as the Sports Tourer. I'm putting an obscene amout of money into it, but don't plan to ever sell it so I'm not worried about recovering my investment.

I should have it built up in a couple of weeks and will post some pictures.
Jeez, I'm glad that I checked in to the forum tonight! I've been busy riding and have been out-of-contact but am stoked to see this Stan!

OFG,
The ST has 4130 throughout and is a keeper fo sho'
You can't touch a hand-fillet brazed frame of similar quality today for less than $1,200.00 +... That's if you can find someone skilled enough to hand braze a bike frame.....

I have several SS's and ST's that are stock, several that are converted to fixed and have to admit that the frames are so smooth/special on the road as fixed commuters that I am hoarding as many as I can find.....

With 700 X 28 tires on a decent wheelset you will be blown away by the ride quality......Build it for yourself if it's your size!

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Jeez, I'm glad that I checked in to the forum tonight! I've been busy riding and have been out-of-contact but am stoked to see this Stan!
I hope OFG doesn't mind me hijacking his thread briefly, but I am excited about this build. Lickton ships the Campy Comp Triple (30-42-52) gruppo on Wednesday, and as soon as I get that shipment I'll waste no time building it up! Rear cassette is 10-speed 12-32. It'll have Chorus Ergo shifters, and I'm building the wheels with Record hubs and Open Pro 700c rims, 36h, 3x. Brakes are long reach Rivendell "Silver" side-pulls.

Here's the frameset I got back from the painter on Thursday.





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Hey can I jump in here? Real simple (for you guy's);
I recently junk pile retrieved a Schwinn Suburban 10 speed, original everything but tires, tubes and pedals.
No rack or lights. How do I tell what year this was made?
Yes I'm new here and to vintage bikes, but I'm here to learn.
This thing looks exactly like one discussed in a thread here back in April.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
BTW - Scooper - Nice Paint!
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Look for the Serial Number near the bottom front of the head tube, just above the fork crown. The first two letters reveal the month and year built. A-M first (skip I) equate to the months January-December. The second letter equates to the year, F=1970, G=1971, etc. (skip I and O). Hope this helps!
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post
The '71 came with the infamous Campy Gran Turismo RD which was changed in either '72 or '73 to the Shimano Crane rebadged as a Schwinn-Approved LeTour GT-300 (which was much better than the Gran Turismo).
Scooper, this is just an observation I have made recently regarding the Gran Turismo:

I have a '72 Sports Tourer with a Gran Turismo derailleur. Shifting was poor with the Schwinn approved 14 to 34 5 speed freewheel. Since the rear spacing was already 126 mm, I put a 13 to 30 7 speed Suntour freewheel on it. The Gran Tursimo shifts very good now. Maybe part of the GT's problem was the huge jumps between gears on some of those old 5 speed touring clusters?
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Originally Posted by mparker326 View Post
Scooper, this is just an observation I have made recently regarding the Gran Turismo:

I have a '72 Sports Tourer with a Gran Turismo derailleur. Shifting was poor with the Schwinn approved 14 to 34 5 speed freewheel. Since the rear spacing was already 126 mm, I put a 13 to 30 7 speed Suntour freewheel on it. The Gran Tursimo shifts very good now. Maybe part of the GT's problem was the huge jumps between gears on some of those old 5 speed touring clusters?
I think that's very plausible. First, big jumps are harder to shift than smaller, and the SunTour tooth could be sharper-edged than the old freewheels.

Should work nicely with a Shimano or Sachs freewheel, which have grabby teeth.
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Thanks for the info, guys.

The barcons do say Schwinn Approved, and RoadFan, it's about 21" c-c. I'll be in the garage all day today, unfortunately, so stop by if you want.

I will try to get photos up later today, it's not a pristine example, plenty of nicks, but all in all, not bad.

Stan, yours is gorgeous!
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With regard to the crankset, the Sports Tourer came with a Nervar or TA. So my guess is someone harvested the TA and downgraded to the DA!
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I just got an original, early Sports Tourer from the Salvation Army, crappy Campy Grand Turismo derailuer, brooks and all. I need to check the ser #, but if you need pictures of something, let me know.
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy View Post
Thanks for the info, guys.

The barcons do say Schwinn Approved, and RoadFan, it's about 21" c-c. I'll be in the garage all day today, unfortunately, so stop by if you want.

I will try to get photos up later today, it's not a pristine example, plenty of nicks, but all in all, not bad.

Stan, yours is gorgeous!
OFG, will you be around Wednesday? I'm swamped today and tomorrow.

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I'm putting an obscene amout of money into it, but don't plan to ever sell it so I'm not worried about recovering my investment.
I tried telling my wife that every time a box of parts comes from ebay. It isn't working very well for me. What's your secret?
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I tried telling my wife that every time a box of parts comes from ebay. It isn't working very well for me. What's your secret?
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Guys, I posted some pictures of the uncleaned bike here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/zmudshark/1971SportsTourer#

Lots of nicks in the paint, but the tires hold air, and RoadFan took a spin on it. It's a bit small for him, and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it. It may end up on a back hook in the garage for awhile.

bigwoo, I can let you have it for a little less than $1200, shipped, if you are interested
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No wife.
LOL saves one from requiring an active imagination for many explanations.

Fortunately my wife is very understanding, and she quit asking. She does keep an eye out for bikes, actually looking for her back up rider for me to rebuild
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M y wife brought home 9 bikes in the last week, seven are fixable, one I've already robbed parts from, the other non rideable has either a 3 or 4 speed SA hub on it, nice rack and generator. Frame is shot, but wheels look to be mostly round.

So far she's gone two weeks without being fired, and actually put in shop time today!
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Originally Posted by balindamood View Post
I just got an original, early Sports Tourer from the Salvation Army, crappy Campy Grand Turismo derailuer, brooks and all. I need to check the ser #, but if you need pictures of something, let me know.
I just rode OFG's Sport Tourer today with the Gran Turismo, and it shifts not too badly at all. Not as well as a Duopar or Racing T, but better than some others.

smaller than I wanted, unfortunately!

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M y wife brought home 9 bikes in the last week, seven are fixable, one I've already robbed parts from, the other non rideable has either a 3 or 4 speed SA hub on it, nice rack and generator.
My wife has a nice rack, but she never brings home any bikes. Sigh.
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Plan on keeping the double reflectors? Never seen that arrangement before!!!! You know it should also have a B-15 saddle. Do you need an FD?

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Yes, I'm aware it should have had a B-15, but not a Brooks fan. The Avocet Touring is comfortable, but fairly shot.

The dual rear reflectors are pretty cool, aren't they? Mrs OFG has a soft spot for old reflectors, often brings home rear fenders, and even junk bikes just for them.

If she decides to let them go, I'll keep you in mind, Reverend.
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