Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Finally a high end bike! - or not.

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Finally a high end bike! - or not.

Old 08-28-09, 09:37 PM
  #1  
LgReno
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 119

Bikes: Lg Evolution 3.5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Finally a high end bike! - or not.

I have a contact through my dad who bought a brand new 6000+$ racing bike (an older man in his 60's).

My dad told him i was into bikes and he said he'd sell his old one and here's word for word what he wrote on his business card:

Gianella (Marinoni Frame)
54.5

Full Shimano Dura Ace 16 Spd.

Shimano Med. Profile Rims

$750.00

So the size seems perfect. if the 54.5 means size in cm. and he mentioned the wheel set alone was worth something like 1000$ and the bike was 3000$. I have no idea what year the bike is (yet alone if its a steel frame - columbus maybe?), all i know is the 16spd DA info. and i dont know the range of years shimano went to 8speeds.

Please let me know if this is a "vintage" bike worth the 750$. I say that because if its more modern then vintage I feel it looses the appeal a lot especially since i have a 2007, 20speed Al + carbon/al fork bike with 105 which i find is really well equipped for the time being (speedplay zeros,neuvation aero wheelset and a whole lot of upgraded BBB parts like the saddle). If that gianella is going to compete with my current racer then i will have a tough time choosing. If the gianella is a nice vintage ride then i am totally down because i love quality steel bikes and i've never had the chance up until now to own one.

thanks for your input.

Reno

ps. does this DA bike have brifter shifters? or downtube?
LgReno is offline  
Old 08-28-09, 09:47 PM
  #2  
cb400bill
Bike don't lie
 
cb400bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 21,026

Bikes: Fuji SL2.1 Carbon Di2 Cannondale Synapse Alloy 4 Trek Checkpoint ALR gravel Viscount Aerospace Pro Colnago Classic Rabobank Schwinn Waterford PMount

Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2947 Post(s)
Liked 5,679 Times in 3,323 Posts
Sounds like a nice bike. For info, you could always call these guys.

https://www.gianellacycles.com/location.html

Cycles Gianella Cycles
4795 Boul Des Sources
Pierrefonds, QC H8Y 3C6
514-683-2240

Mon Wed : 9:30AM 6:00PM
Thurs & Fri : 9:30AM 9:00PM
Sat : 9:30AM 5:00PM

__________________








cb400bill is offline  
Old 08-28-09, 11:14 PM
  #3  
prof2k
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 196
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Dura-Ace 8 speed was intriduced I believe in 1989, and brifters were introduced maybe 2 years later (I think in 1991). Dura-ace was 8-speed until 9-speed was introduced in 1997. There's a very good chance the bike has brifters. As well, the it's more than likely that the frame is steel, because most bikes of this period were still steel.

I would also imagine that the shimano medium profile wheels are not as vintage as the rest of the bike and are a much more recent upgrade, because larger profile rims started becoming a lot more popular and in the past 10 or so years. (8/9/10 speed shimano wheels have the same freehub bodies and are all interchangeable)
prof2k is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 12:08 AM
  #4  
cyclotoine
Senior Member
 
cyclotoine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Yukon, Canada
Posts: 8,775
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 16 Times in 14 Posts
deep profile alloy wheels were popular in the mid 1990s and onward... probably sell, probably sweet. but I do think a little expensive unless it is in tip top shape.
__________________
1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear
cyclotoine is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 05:31 AM
  #5  
miamijim
Senior Member
 
miamijim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 14,100
Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 413 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 100 Times in 73 Posts
Full Dura Ace equipted bikes start at $450 and go from there depending on a variety of factors such as, but not limited to STI levers, condition, size, make and how 'full' of a group it has.

Full: Dura Ace means everything including the headset, pedal and bottom bracket. Those 3 parts may not sound like a big deal a good pair of pedals can set you back upto $125 with headsets and BB running $75 each.

STI levers: Expensive. Can add ~$100 to an otherwise similar bike

Make: The big boys cost more than the little boys. Gianella are 'little biys'

Condition: Self explanatory

Size: The 'bell curve' peaks between 54cm and 58cm. Smaller bikes like 48's demand a small premium (pun intended) while bigger bikes like 62's have a market penalty.

Tires: Tubulars are death sentence

Color: Wildness is a penalty

Comapring 2 hypothetical bikes:

A 48cm with STI levers, clincher tires and a single color or 2-tone paint scheme could possibly sell for $250-300 more than a 62cm with tubular tires, DT shift levers and a crazy wierd paint scheme.
miamijim is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 06:19 AM
  #6  
Road Fan
Senior Member
 
Road Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 16,715

Bikes: 1980 Masi, 1984 Mondonico, 1984 Trek 610, 1980 Woodrup Giro, 2005 Mondonico Futura Leggera ELOS, 1967 PX10E, 1971 Peugeot UO-8

Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1792 Post(s)
Liked 613 Times in 466 Posts
Marinoni then as now made really good steel frames - you're looking at some of the best of North America. The DuraAce speaks for itself. I'd rather have Campy, but that's just my preference. Tubular tires may conventionally represent a penalty, but there are a lot of tubular equipped bikes on Ebay going for decent prices. Besides, if the tires are collectible (and some are) there's a sweetener in the pot. It's one thing to become educated with the conventional viewpoint on valuation, and it's another to evaluate an object on its merits. In any case, at $750 (US or CD, BTW?) you're looking at a fine riding bike pretty much ready to go, not a flipper at wholesale price.

This is definitely a high-end bike.
Road Fan is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 06:59 AM
  #7  
mainducoyote
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 682

Bikes: 3Rensho Aero with 10 speed Centaure / Record , Lecroco , whatever bike I have for sale at the moment

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I think it's a little much for Montreal and yes, it would have brifters. I have a nice frame in 55cm if you don't mind pink
mainducoyote is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 11:22 AM
  #8  
LgReno
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 119

Bikes: Lg Evolution 3.5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks everyone sofar for their input.

I will contact this man very soon and see if I can come take a look at it, post some pictures take notes on everything and see if hes willing to negociate on the price. Its funny because the first time my dad talked to the guy he said 600buck. but then he wrote down 750. its as if the closer he gets to the selling point it becomes more difficult for him to let it go.

i guess the color is important too, and the tubular tires although i dont get why everyone started mentioning those (is it becasue the shimano rims weren't clinchers?)

im eager to see that thing.

Reno
LgReno is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 11:44 AM
  #9  
SingeDebile
Senior Member
 
SingeDebile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 592
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
clinchers on high end race bikes is a fairly recent development
SingeDebile is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 11:58 AM
  #10  
Charles Wahl
Disraeli Gears
 
Charles Wahl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 4,160
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 501 Post(s)
Liked 352 Times in 210 Posts
Originally Posted by SingeDebile
clinchers on high end race bikes is a fairly recent development
I beg to differ.
Charles Wahl is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 12:54 PM
  #11  
jtgotsjets
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 1,755

Bikes: Miele Azsora, Kuwahara Cascade

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by SingeDebile
clinchers on high end race bikes is a fairly recent development
It's a fairly recent bike.
jtgotsjets is offline  
Old 08-29-09, 10:05 PM
  #12  
Ronsonic 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Sunny Tampa, Florida
Posts: 1,546
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 101 Post(s)
Liked 48 Times in 40 Posts
Just another set of comments and lore, though I gotta say, Jim's got this down to a science.

Worst case, it has the 1988 8s D/A hub which would mean you can't get a cassette for the thing for anything like a civilized price. OR, pay 80 for a new freehub IF you can find one. Those have gotten rare too. From 89 on the freehubs will fit common 8-9-10 cassettes. Easy way to tell is look at the cogs, 88 was the last year on D/A for the twist-tooth.

I don't mind sewups, but I'm fooking weird. Most people won't want the hassle and the resale goes way down. In fact, one of the reasons I like sewups is that I can buy really awesome wheelsets for dirt cheap.

For that money, you should be looking at a clean, complete bike with STI and clinchers. That it's a Shimano wheelset makes it more likely to be clincher in my experience. They didn't do sewups much.

Take a look and have a talk.

Post pictures.
Ronsonic is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 11:32 AM
  #13  
LgReno
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 119

Bikes: Lg Evolution 3.5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Hi Guys,

thanks for commenting... what was it now... almost a year ago? Lol....

I Finally contacted the gentleman again since I've been saving up and sold 2 bikes in the last week (ironically my '88 gianella for 250$ with mid range shim components - the rear rim was not doing well with a few fatigue cracks along the rim at the spoke hole level, but thats another story)
So i bought the bike for 600$ (two wheel sets)

Mostly DA except pedals (Campy Centaur) and a Shimano 600 head set. I think the BB is also DA (see comment below). Seat post is DA and even the brake pads.

Theres a Cinelli stem and Cinelli HB 62-40 GIRO D'Italia, a selle San Marco "Rolls DUE" (whatever that is)
the current wheel et are medium profile shimano with a DA casette. but i also got the original wheel set with FIR ea60 rims laced on DA hubs.

All DA components have serial numbers DA-7402 and 7403.

check out my pics:





my only concern... and the paint is chipping..... oy oy oy...what should be the best thing to do?


the serial is 20723 and i can partially see the BB bracket through the "G" . its a shimano BB-72?? so i think its DA

the new wheel set hubs are WH-R540 shimano medium profile rims and the original wheel set hub and rim are:




So all in all i think its in good running condition. The bike was always well maintained and cleaned after it was ridden in the rain etc... the owner used it heavily since he got it. Its probably got a somewhere close to 50000km. The rust as you saw is my only real concern and it occured due to a "marinoni" frame pump that was wedged along the seat tube. So water must of gotten trapped and over the year started corroding that area. its a nice white pump though.. no pic however.

Thanks for looking,

Best,
Reno
LgReno is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 11:38 AM
  #14  
LgReno
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 119

Bikes: Lg Evolution 3.5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
oh.. and not to forget, the saddle bag includes tire pliers and a spare tube. and in case you didnt notice theres also a simple speedometer.
LgReno is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 12:14 PM
  #15  
wrk101
Thrifty Bill
 
wrk101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Mountains of Western NC
Posts: 23,533

Bikes: 86 Katakura Silk, 87 Prologue X2, 88 Cimarron LE, 1975 Sekai 4000 Professional, 73 Paramount, plus more

Mentioned: 96 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1224 Post(s)
Liked 921 Times in 604 Posts
Better deal with that rust soon. It will only get worse.
wrk101 is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 12:22 PM
  #16  
LgReno
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 119

Bikes: Lg Evolution 3.5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by wrk101
Better deal with that rust soon. It will only get worse.
That the best course of action?
LgReno is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 12:24 PM
  #17  
SoreFeet
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,116
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 9 Posts
Italians don't know how to paint bikes...
SoreFeet is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 01:30 PM
  #18  
20grit
Curmudgeon in Training
 
20grit's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Rural Retreat, VA
Posts: 1,962

Bikes: 1974 Gazelle Champion Mondial, 2010 Cannondale Trail SL, 1988 Peugeot Nice, 1992ish Stumpjumper Comp,1990's Schwinn Moab

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts
the rolls due is a titanium railed version of the rolls. they pop up on ebay quite a bit. if it doesn't strike your fancy, watch one of those auctions for a value.
20grit is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 01:48 PM
  #19  
Drillium Dude
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: PAZ
Posts: 12,394
Mentioned: 255 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2586 Post(s)
Liked 4,804 Times in 1,707 Posts
Originally Posted by SoreFeet
Italians don't know how to paint bikes...
Aw, that's too harsh: note that the Columbus decal is a "Riverniciato" slashed one - that means a repaint at some point, and not necessarily done by an Italian

Plus, sweat is sweat - it'll get through the paint (any paint, by any painter) one way or the other!

OP: nice score! Just needs a full kit of Nuovo Record

Last edited by Drillium Dude; 07-24-10 at 07:59 PM.
Drillium Dude is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 01:54 PM
  #20  
LgReno
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 119

Bikes: Lg Evolution 3.5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Aw, that's too harsh: note that the Columbus decal is a "Riverniciato" slashed one - that means a repaint at some point, and not necessarily done by an Italian

i did not realize this,... however i had my suspicions...

Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
OP: nice score! Just needs a full kit of Nuovo Record

Im a shimano guy.... i dont know what everyone is raving over campy. As a kid i was quite exposed to the shimano brand not for biking but for fishing. it was my first fishing kit brand and every since i always got shimano fishing grear. Fast forward until i was 24 and started getting into biking after knre surgery.... and i have been stiving everysince to get a "vintage" (if i may...) full dura ace steel bike. Today i got my wish and im super happy with it!
LgReno is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 02:58 PM
  #21  
Drillium Dude
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: PAZ
Posts: 12,394
Mentioned: 255 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2586 Post(s)
Liked 4,804 Times in 1,707 Posts
Originally Posted by LgReno
I'm a shimano guy.... i dont know what everyone is raving over campy. As a kid i was quite exposed to the shimano brand not for biking but for fishing. it was my first fishing kit brand and every since i always got shimano fishing grear. Fast forward until i was 24 and started getting into biking after knre surgery.... and i have been stiving everysince to get a "vintage" (if i may...) full dura ace steel bike. Today i got my wish and im super happy with it!
I was just kidding about the Campy part - of course everyone is entitled to their favorite. Personally, I'm a Campy guy because since at least 1994 (when I got back into cycling and began again with old-school stuff) I've been putting on thousands of hard and fast miles on the Italian stuff and it's still going strong. I guess there's no arguing it lasts and lasts and lasts...
Drillium Dude is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 03:09 PM
  #22  
cinco
Senior Member
 
cinco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Colorado
Posts: 569

Bikes: Forty of them

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 99 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 33 Times in 21 Posts
Originally Posted by LgReno
That the best course of action?
The BEST course of action would be to mask the surrounding areas, "sand"blast the affected areas, fill the pits with something like All-Metal body filler, and repaint to match. That may not be the most practical of options, however, not in the least because it's tough to find a sandblaster who knows how to deal with bike tubing. I'd do it for you, but you're not exactly across town.

The next best option would be to remove the necessary amount of paint and treat the rust with phosphoric acid. It converts iron oxide into iron phosphate which, for practical purposes, is chemically inert. That should keep things from getting worse, but you'll still need to seal the area, either with new primer and paint or with a good coat of wax, etc. I get worried when rust gets bad enough to bubble paint like that - I'd expect you still have a fair amount of metal left but keep an eye on it.

PS: Sure, Campy and Shimano stuff is nice, but it didn't work properly until they copied Suntour's rear derailleur design .
cinco is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 03:17 PM
  #23  
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 28,351

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2338 Post(s)
Liked 4,031 Times in 1,988 Posts
$600? With that rust?

Boy, between this and LeicaLad's Mercian...

-Kurt
__________________












cudak888 is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 04:51 PM
  #24  
LgReno
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 119

Bikes: Lg Evolution 3.5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cudak888
$600? With that rust?

Boy, between this and LeicaLad's Mercian...

-Kurt
Seriously... i thought a bent stay would of been way worse...
LgReno is offline  
Old 07-24-10, 05:02 PM
  #25  
roccobike
Bike Junkie
 
roccobike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: South of Raleigh, North of New Hill, East of Harris Lake, NC
Posts: 9,622

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Specialized Roubaix, Giant OCR-C, Specialized Stumpjumper FSR, Stumpjumper Comp, 88 & 92Nishiki Ariel, 87 Centurion Ironman, 92 Paramount, 84 Nishiki Medalist

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 68 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 36 Times in 27 Posts
Beautiful bike. Fix the rust by taking the least invasive approach. If it were me, I'd do pinpoint sanding, then follow with rustoleum primer to arrest further spread. It's worked great for me in the past and is not a complex fix. Finding a direct match for the paint may take forever. An expensive approach, but effective is to take it to an auto paint supplier and have them custom mix the color.
As for the cost of the bike, when you get into that level of quality, it's a sellers market. In all my dealings in the Raleigh area, I've never seen a vintage bike of that quality and that nice. Maybe Robbie has, but I haven't. I think you did good. Enjoy riding that bike knowing you've got a real thorough bred.
__________________
Roccobike BF Official Thread Terminator
roccobike is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.